Muslims the least educated in the world?

[Britedream]

Considering how religions are mostly mythology, just like yours, does it matter?

why do you assume your conclusion?, why do not you let your facts lead to it.

Please go ahead and show us.

 

[MD]

why do you assume your conclusion?, why do not you let your facts lead to it.

Please go ahead and show us.

0 proof that Islam is the word of God. The onus is on you to prove it. How do I know that 'Mohammed' wasn't actually group of warlords who hired some dudes to write up the Quran? How do I know if he even was an individual, that he wasn't a schizophrenic?

There are a so many things which destroy the 'truth' of Islam. Adam and Even. Heaven and Hell. The scientific miracles are debunked. The problem of evil. Etc.

 

[Britedream]

0 proof that Islam is the word of God. The onus is on you to prove it. How do I know that 'Mohammed' wasn't actually group of warlords who hired some dudes to write up the Quran? How do I know if he even was an individual, that he wasn't a schizophrenic?

There are a so many things which destroy the 'truth' of Islam. Adam and Even. Heaven and Hell. The scientific miracles are debunked. The problem of evil. Etc.

please do not give me a composition , you assumed your conclusion, that is a fallacy in arguing, so I asked you to show us the facts that lead to your conclusion.

The fact that you do not know something, is not your prove that it does exist.

 

[outhouse]

Please go ahead and show us.

WE have! muslms are required to ignore facts education and knowledge no matter how credible the information is.

Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".


Abraham never existed. Moses never did, both have no historicity as real people.


The Exodus never happened, Israelites factually evolved from displaced polytheistic Canaanites.


History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult,


Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

 

[FearGod]

Muslim world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In many Muslim countries, illiteracy is a substantial problem.

Low literacy rates in Muslim majority countries and lack of educational initiatives are the cause of great social turbulence.


No bias there


great social turbulence sounds like the definition of terrorism to me.

And the leader of ISIS is a well educated terrorist

He is a former teacher and educator and a well known preacher, and a graduate from the Islamic University in Baghdad and he studied in it the academic levels (Bachelor, Masters and PhD) he was known as a preacher and erudite in Islamic culture, and Sharia knowledge and Fiqh, and an expert in the sciences of history and noble lineage

https://archive.org/stream/TheBiogr...raphy of Sheikh Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi_djvu.txt

 

[MD]

please do not give me a composition , you assumeed your conclusion, that is a fallacy in arguing, so I asked you show us the facts that lead to your conclusion.

There's 0 proof, what else do I need?

Faith and religion is SUBJECTIVE, not objective. You muslims think your religion is explained through logic or whatever and as such is objective, but in reality it has as much basis as Tengri the sky God of the Mongols.

There's no proof that God even exists from an objective stance, it's all subjective. There's no proof that Mohammed got his divine revelation from an angel. People see angels and devils all the time, we call them schizophrenics and medicate them.

Unless you wanna dance and prove your religion, I suggest you accept that it's based on FAITH and has no basis in objective reality.

 

[outhouse]

we call them schizophrenics and medicate them.

.

I prefer


schizophrenic pedophile warrior who used a sword to force belief in mythology

 

[MD]

WE have! muslms are required to ignore facts education and knowledge no matter how credible the information is.

Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".


Abraham never existed. Moses never did, both have no historicity as real people.


The Exodus never happened, Israelites factually evolved from displaced polytheistic Canaanites.


History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult,


Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

This not only damages the credibility of Islam, but of all Abrahamic faiths. Wow.

 

[Britedream]

There's 0 proof, what else do I need?

Faith and religion is SUBJECTIVE, not objective. You muslims think your religion is explained through logic or whatever and as such is objective, but in reality it has as much basis as Tengri the sky God of the Mongols.

There's no proof that God even exists from an objective stance, it's all subjective. There's no proof that Mohammed got his divine revelation from an angel. People see angels and devils all the time, we call them schizophrenics and medicate them.

Unless you wanna dance and prove your religion, I suggest you accept that it's based on FAITH and has no basis in objective reality.

Let us see how you walk in your reasoning, Is the universe at some point in the past used to be nothing?.

 

[outhouse]

This not only damages the credibility of Islam, but of all Abrahamic faiths. Wow.

Yes it does.


But lets look at how it effects a more positive religion like Christianity. They ditched a lot of fanaticism and are not near as violent and have higher education levels.

They still have YEC fanaticism that is a non violent problem yet attacks politics aiming to change our childrens education system.

But in the USA it has failed and while wee not out of the fanaticism woods per say, were on the road to improvement.



Judaism! now they read it right, and its their book and mythology by origin.

They simply read it is allegory and metaphor, as it should be read. :bow:

 

[outhouse]

Let us see how you.

Lets see you bring credible sources to the table.

AH but since you have no credible historians in the whole world that use your book for credible history, YOUR BOOK claims is true.


We wont be holding our breath

 

[MD]

Let us see how you walk in your reasoning, Is the universe at some point in the past used to be nothing?.

I am a theist, but I can easily play devil's advocate. The universe probably came from something else, and there's no proof that something was a God. Multiverse, black hole, wtv.

Even if God did create it, with the huge expanse of time and space, inifinite worlds and species, infinite cultures and religions, God picked Saudi Arabia to spread His final message 1400 years ago in a very convoluted way? After all those hundreds of millions of years of life and species and disease, death, killing, suffering, pain, he came 1400 years ago and that was it? No more updates? No more help? Even though we as a civilization have changed exponentially since 600 Arabia.

I mean come on?! And then how do we even know there's one God? What if we have giant godlike boltzman brains floating around space? Atleast I acknowledge my religious beliefs are based on faith and some minor rationalizing, instead of you guys who the Quran is word for word by God. I'm sorry, if you have studied the intricacies of protein folding or star formation you will realize that the Quran is not the word of God because it's filled with contradictions and inconsistencies, and most likely is the word of man.

And then you guys argue over whether music, one of the saving graces of our existence, is haram or halal

 

[Britedream]

I am a theist, but I can easily play devil's advocate. The universe probably came from something else, and there's no proof that something was a God. Multiverse, black hole, wtv.

Even if God did create it, with the huge expanse of time and space, inifinite worlds and species, infinite cultures and religions, God picked Saudi Arabia to spread His final message 1400 years ago in a very convoluted way? After all those hundreds of millions of years of life and species and disease, death, killing, suffering, pain, he came 1400 years ago and that was it? No more updates? No more help? Even though we as a civilization have changed exponentially since 600 Arabia.

I mean come on?! And then how do we even know there's one God? What if we have giant godlike boltzman brains floating around space? Atleast I acknowledge my religious beliefs are based on faith and some minor rationalizing, instead of you guys who the Quran is word for word by God. I'm sorry, if you have studied the intricacies of protein folding or star formation you will realize that the Quran is not the word of God because it's filled with contradictions and inconsistencies, and most likely is the word of man.

And then you guys argue over whether music is haram or halal

First of all my question has nothing to do with you being atheist.
Second, I asked you simple question, So, please do not give me a story, just answer, yes, or No.

 

[MD]

First of all my question has nothing to do with you being atheist.
Second, I asked you simple question, So, please do not give me a story, just answer, yes, or No.

I did answer, you didn't bother reading and you ignored the rest of my points.

No, I believe the universe came from something.

 

[Britedream]

I did answer, you didn't bother reading and you ignored the rest of my points.

No, I believe the universe came from something.

Good, Now, That something We call God, and You call it something, So there is an entity that created the universe. true or flase.

 

[MD]

Good, Now, That something We call God, and You call it something, So there is an entity that created the universe. Ture or flase.

If you read my prior post, I said I'm a THEIST.

And it could be a totally natural process, like another universe gave rise to our own. We can go on in an infinite regress, and never know the true answer.

 

[Britedream]

If you read my prior post, I said I'm a THEIST.

And it could be a totally natural process, like another universe gave rise to our own. We can go on in an infinite regress, and never know the true answer.

We are not talking now about the nature of who create the universe, just asnwer my question now.

 

[outhouse]

So there is an entity that created the universe. Ture or flase.

Factually, only in mythology.

Belief does not make it true. And all the factual evidence we have states it did not happen the way your mythology does.


Thanks for playing, Lets see you bring credible sources to the table


I provided credible sources that prove your book has no credibility for many historical topics.

 

[MD]

We are not talking now about the nature of who create the universe, just asnwer my question now.

It could be a totally natural process, would you call it God? That's like calling evolution God

 

[outhouse]

We are not talking now about the nature of who create the universe, just asnwer my question now.

No one knows.

But there is nothing but imagination and mythology for evidence of any god doing anything