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Muslims the least educated in the world?

gnostic

The Lost One
Although I admired the high learning of the Golden Age of Islam during the medieval period, their contributions to mathematics, science and technology, Muslims have made no worthy contributions in the last 4 centuries.

Today's Muslims have tried using pseudoscience to shamelessly take credits for modern science by quoting verses in the Qur'an, like that idiot Zakir Naik. It is wonder why no scientists take Islam seriously.

But even during its golden age, Muslim scientists only made use of ancient knowledges that were already known to the Byzantine/Romans and Persians, in lands Muslims had conquered. That they made considerable improvements in some areas doesn't mean we can't discount their sources.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
United States

[According to a Gallup Institute study involving 300,000 people] The majority of Muslims in USA ... are less educated ... than the population as a whole.[24]

Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam

Have you read the article referenced by WikiIslam? It's hardly compelling. It's also Danish, and required me to use Google translate, but it translates readily enough.

For what it's worth, find below the results of translating the entire referenced article...I haven't listed it as a quote, since it's a translation reliant on Google, so it's not going to be direct word for word by any means.

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Muslimer trives i USA (3 March 2009 - Berlingske - Danish Newspaper)

Muslims have a reasonable life in the United States , but the vast majority have to make do with low income, poor education and poorer job than average.

According to a new poll published yesterday , Muslims are doing reasonably well in the United States , but they are not fully satisfied with their lives .

Experts from the Gallup Institute , who conducted the study , explains the paradox that American Muslims for the most part have lower incomes , less education and fewer jobs than the population as a whole.

The study also suggests that American Muslims thrive better than their co-religionists in most Muslim countries. However, Muslims in countries as diverse as Saudi Arabia and Germany more satisfied with life than Muslims in the United States .

The survey covers more than 300,000 people and shows that American Muslims are not at all a homogeneous group . Some have good education and well-paying jobs , while most have to settle for a lot less .

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Hardly compelling evidence in support of your position, in my opinion. I'd be interested in the original information (ie. the Gallup poll) but WikiIslam doesn't reference this, instead cherry picking from the Danish article in a fairly disingenuous manner (to my mind).
In my next post I'll translate a more recent article from the same source (ie. Berlingske, not WikiIslam...).

Still interested if you have any response to my last post, although the thread has moved on somewhat since then, I suppose.
(understand there are lots of posts, and some get lost...I do it regularly, so no dramas to my mind. But interested in your thoughts)
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Okay, so as promised, a more recent article on Islam and integration from the same Danish newspaper. Excuse the Google English. Hopefully it's enough to give the general vibe of the editorial, and the general view of the newspaper, which I think is important.

From : Islam er ikke problemet - Kommentarer | www.b.dk

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Islam is not the problem (29 July, 2014)

Today it would be inappropriate to say that ghetto problems in the United States due to dark skin tone or ' African culture ', or that the poor Brazilians Catholic upbringing makes them unwilling to conform to the surrounding community . When we recognize the complexities of Brazil and the United States , why is it OK to boil all the crazy complex integration problems at home down to a matter of religion ?

It's not silly , without Inger Støjberg attacking the Muslim minority in Denmark . This year is no exception . In Berlingske July 28 suggests Støjberg that we must divide integration policy between Western and non- Western immigrants . However, the analysis is wrong and the solution draconian . Islam is not the problem, and state discrimination would undermine the democracy from within, as Støjberg are so afraid that external forces will destroy .

Danish Muslims' integration is a hot potato in the Danish debate , and it is certainly worth discussing how we are challenged to life . But although it is obvious that there is integration in Denmark , it is a relic of a cane conservative interpretation of the reality that these problems would arise from a ' foreign ' religion .

The most frequently noted by Støjberg and other immigration critics is that immigrants from non - Western countries are over-represented in crime statistics . What is rarely mentioned is that there are large differences between countries. Where immigrants and descendants from Lebanon and Somalia are over-represented , as are immigrants and descendants from Kuwait and Jordan , both countries with more than 90 percent Muslim citizens , less criminal than the average American .

Most often, it would appear that the Muslim religious community is helping to pull the young roots of crime , so these are an important integration partner in Denmark . Yet it is " a medieval interpretation of Islam 'which Støjberg makes the main problem.

What Sort Støjberg instead should have written is that of course there are many different socio-economic and cultural factors that come into play that a person becomes delinquent . Imagine that tomorrow we imported thousands of immigrants from a poor Brazilian favela or a North American ghetto . Would that it not occur crime and difficult integration problems ? Yes, of course .

Today , obviously it would be quite inappropriate for a critic to say that ghetto problems in the United States due to dark skin tone or ' African culture ', or that the poor Brazilians Catholic upbringing makes them unwilling to conform to the surrounding community . When we recognize the complexities of Brazil and the United States , why is it OK to boil all the crazy complex integration problems at home down to a matter of religion ?

Both groups in this example is also Christian Americans , as Inger Støjberg want more of , while Muslims from Kuwait and Jordan , according Noise 's own words, ' a hard time finding their place in Denmark '.

Instead of repeating the annual ' Islam - is - root - of - all- evil - debate' , it might be worth more to discuss solutions than constantly pointing fingers at Muslims .

If you want to get the problems of life , one might initially take the lives of the many misguided public integration projects that better reflects a system of thinking, where one believes that integration can be done by central hand . But integration is something that happens and takes place in civil society, through a skrankepaves desk . Many of these projects were created under the Liberal government , while it never took a break with the system that created the problem to begin with .

Is it really fair to take the responsibility of immigrants with one hand and pointing an accusing finger with the other?

Sort Støjberg commit with its summer attack a classic politician feint : To provide an external force blamed the politician made ​​problems . It is not a verse in the Koran which commands Muslims to be parked on the passive support as soon as they enter the borders of Denmark , but a decree of a welfare state , which year after year has created the foundation for the contemporary integration .

It is not the fault of religion but a flaw in our system that we have thrown money at immigrants , as well was able to feed themselves , so it has never been necessary for them to be part of the surrounding community . All experience shows that the best integration efforts conducted through employment - and this is where Denmark failed so disastrously .

The Liberal Party's new integration policy , as Inger Støjberg in his speech promoting , running on the slogan "Yes to those who can and will - no to criminal immigrants ." But Noise 's criticism of non-Western immigration , attacks on Islam and the desire for state segmentation of ethnic groups live either up to liberal principles or the Liberal Party's own motto .

Who you are, where you are from and how you want to live his life , is of course neither the state nor the neighbor for as long as you obey the law.

Let this be a call to Inger Støjberg next time , her typing fingers quiver after attacking Muslims in the Danish newspapers : Take advantage of the silly season for something sensible . Take the hole on a real liberal immigration policy that respects the individual. Drop the failed integration projects. Let the people who can support themselves get here - whether they are called John or Mohammed. Stop the attacks on Muslims and go instead to the bone of the system that has created the foundation for the problems we have today.

Only then can we talk about the Liberals want to protect democracy , to have respect for Denmark , to follow liberal principles - and to say yes to those who can and will .

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outhouse

Atheistically
Have you read the article referenced by WikiIslam?

The one to the USA is wrong, I will stand corrected.


The article for the middle east looked to be more reputable.


Fair enough, no more quotes from that site.


Regular wiki stated the differently for USA, but if I post it magically the muslims agree, post a negative wiki link and they do not trust it, imagine that.

Islam in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the large Pakistani American community stands out as particularly well educated and prosperous, with education and income levels exceeding those of U.S.-born whites.

Only problem source is ONLY for Pakistani Physicians.


Not exactly a comparison that reflects all islam, but hats off to Pakistani Doctors
 

outhouse

Atheistically
here is from a pro Islamic website


Islam, and Humanity: Lack of education

There are around 500 Universities spread in these 57 member Muslim States compared to that of United States which has over 7,000 higher education Institutions with 103 US universities in the top 200 rankings

Israel has a literacy rate of 98.5% for men and 95.9% for women as compared to the Muslim-majority states having an average literacy rate of around 40 per cent.


The Muslim world certainly has done all the wrong things “perfectly” to give least priority to the development of sound educational infrastructures. The point which somehow seems to have been forgotten is that the threat to our survival and the real enemy among us is the educational ignorance & backwardness creeping into our society and destroying it systematically.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The one to the USA is wrong, I will stand corrected.

The article for the middle east looked to be more reputable.

Fair enough, no more quotes from that site.

Hi mate. Suggestion if I might...just follow the reference trail back before using it. There may be (probably is) fair stuff in there as well as unfair, but WikiIslam itself is biased (ie. cherry picks bad).

It doesn't mean everything on it is wrong, but it's worth background checking anything you're going to use (imho).

Regular wiki stated the differently for USA, but if I post it magically the muslims agree, post a negative wiki link and they do not trust it, imagine that.

:shrug:
I never bother trying to control how other people fact check, but I'll happily call them on it if something seems off kilter to me. ANY Wiki, by it's nature, is a good first port of call due to it being a collection of information, and generally being self-correcting.

However, common misconceptions can live for a long time on Wiki, precisely because they ARE common.
So again, it's the background check that adds validity and gravitas to your points to my mind.

And no, I didn't need to use the word gravitas. I just like it. Don't ask me why, I have no rational explanation.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I never bother trying to control how other people fact check, but I'll happily call them on it if something seems off kilter to me. .

Im glad you caught me on it. Sources are the first thing I check when debating the finer points of any religious or scientific topic.


I like being nudged back into reality if I deviate :bow:
 

outhouse

Atheistically
YOUR credible sources !!! , you got be kiding ?

WIKISLAM is top anti-Islam website,.


And if you had any credibility in these forums, I would have trusted you.


But I cant trust you, You have refused to many sources that are credible.


made by non-muslims to lie about Islam


While I admit there is some bias, it is not all lies.


Im sorry your religion is in focus right now and what is seen by the whole world is ugly. Why you don't want to fight tooth and nail to correct it is beyond me.:shrug:
 

Shad

Veteran Member
YOUR credible sources !!! , you got be kiding ?

WIKISLAM is top anti-Islam website, made by non-muslims to lie about Islam .

maybe it's better to say , my fake/lie sources .

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since you jump my questions and escape to answser me honestly , you the last person who talk about "credible" here.

It isn't lies, it's views from another perspective one which is shared by other Muslims. It is a far cry from people like Robert Spencer and his ilk. The site is just the other side of the apologist coin, it is anti-apologist. I read several Muslim websites which are completely against the idea of scientific miracles and dawah which uses these ideas. Unlike many of the people which promote these miracles these Muslims are educated. They are teachers, physicists, historians, scholars, etc. The professors in my Islamic Study program, all Muslims, do not accept these miracle claims either. However the site like all wikis suffer the same issues of anonymous user input, lack of sources and speculation of it's posters. It is regulated only by those wish to involved themselves in a particular page. This is why wiki sources are horrible and should be avoided.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Al razi is a muslim scientist , who lie to you ? you just embrassing your self here .

are you fan to anti-islam sites , they had 0 crediblity because, I advise you never take information from the "anti" , take it from the origin source ?

I guess the Muslim authors which commented and quoted his worked lied right? They misquoted him? They made up the quotes attributed to him. They fabricated his position so they could write books against this fabricated view?

This just proves to me you do not read anything you link.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
So what if he was skeptic about religion,i have mentioned this fact in my previous post and he was respected in the Muslim world for his scientific achievements regardless of his belief, and that is an evidence by itself that Muslims don't assassinate the apostates and that freedom of speech was respected during the Islamic empire which isn't the case of today.

Being well respected in a time of tolerance is great, nothing wrong with that. However what is left of his work which is found in work of other authors clearly show he was not a Muslim. Your comment is back-stepping as you claimed he was a Muslim when he is not, now you are doing damage control.

And here fanaticism shown up, for you this one scientist did it all whereas the great number of Muslims scientists did nothing and it makes me wondering that all articles about Shen Kou mentioned him as a hero that did a lot of things before being known in Europe and you agree of course since he wasn't a Muslim.
Do you have issues with reading comprehension? I list 3 people which developed modern algebra using previous work which built up over time from many places. I never credited one person for modern algebra unlike yourself. I provide non-Muslim scientist you asked for. It is you that seemed to believe progress in science within 4 centuries was solely limited to Muslims not I. I acknowledge the work of many. I just do not agree with your argument especially in the case of some fool sticking feathers to his body and flinging himself off a height had anything to do with modern airplanes which you claimed.

In another article the same thing, Muslims are neglected and a jump is made to Europe from the point of Shen Kuo, and the smart should realize what its all about, fanaticism.
Take the issue up with the author as I am not the author of whatever "other" article you read.

This was the decisive step in human history to make compasses more useful for navigation, and may have been a concept unknown in Europe for another four hundred years (evidence of German sundials made circa 1450 show markings similar to Chinese geomancer compasses in regard to declination).
Shen Kuo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is one article saying Arabic numeric system was Chinese in origin
Q&A: Chinese Porcelain Chess Compass FAQ
See you are just reading a wiki and some anonymous website. Wiki has it's own issues which I repeat often enough when people use it as a source. The anonymous website has no citations thus has nothing to prove it's point. These two are examples of non-academic sources which too many take as creditable.

So at the end we have to conclude that Muslims did nothing except of moving the science from east to west and then the Muslim scientists was a myth as their religion was.
Never said that. My point was you over generalize and make claims well beyond what the people you cite actually did. Like with the Mr. Feather example you think this fool some how was a founder of modern flight when in fact there is nothing left of his work. The only two sources which mention him are questionable. One says he flew faster than a phoenix. How does one fly faster than a mythical creature? The other one is from the 17th century and only mentioned him trying to fly like some sort of overdresses mascot. You spin work of Muslims well beyond reason due solely to the fact that you are Muslim as well. It is some vain attempt to attach credibility to a shared religion and nostalgia. You are just the other side of the old Eurocentric coin but Islamcentric.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Being well respected in a time of tolerance is great, nothing wrong with that. However what is left of his work which is found in work of other authors clearly show he was not a Muslim. Your comment is back-stepping as you claimed he was a Muslim when he is not, now you are doing damage control.

His name is Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi, do you think the name Muhammad is for non muslim, so his name proves your lies.

He is a Muslim but you don't feel comfortable to accept this fact because you hate any good things from Islam, but being skeptic about religion is another thing, i am a Muslim and i was skeptic about religion and i did many readings and investigation to find the truth, the prophet said while he was ill and dying that it is serious and that people have to be aware that afterlife judgement is real and he asked the people to pass the message to the next generation, many points convinced me that he was serious and deceiving myself is a wrong choice.


Do you have issues with reading comprehension? I list 3 people which developed modern algebra using previous work which built up over time from many places. I never credited one person for modern algebra unlike yourself. I provide non-Muslim scientist you asked for. It is you that seemed to believe progress in science within 4 centuries was solely limited to Muslims not I. I acknowledge the work of many. I just do not agree with your argument especially in the case of some fool sticking feathers to his body and flinging himself off a height had anything to do with modern airplanes which you claimed.

Algebra is an Arabic name by itself, can't you realize that.

Flying doesn't happen magically, it started with men thinking to fly and then sacrificing their lives to achieve it.

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THE 'WRONG' BROTHERS AVIATION'S FAILURES (1920s) - YouTube

Take the issue up with the author as I am not the author of whatever "other" article you read.

I was pointing out that the purpose of the article is obvious by neglecting Muslims and jumping to Europe and that is what you are looking for, you want it to be Chinese, Indian or whatever but not Muslims, you even deny Algebra which is Arabic by name.


See you are just reading a wiki and some anonymous website. Wiki has it's own issues which I repeat often enough when people use it as a source. The anonymous website has no citations thus has nothing to prove it's point. These two are examples of non-academic sources which too many take as creditable.

The other site isn't from Wiki but confirms the same point that exists in Wiki

Never said that. My point was you over generalize and make claims well beyond what the people you cite actually did. Like with the Mr. Feather example you think this fool some how was a founder of modern flight when in fact there is nothing left of his work. The only two sources which mention him are questionable. One says he flew faster than a phoenix. How does one fly faster than a mythical creature? The other one is from the 17th century and only mentioned him trying to fly like some sort of overdresses mascot. You spin work of Muslims well beyond reason due solely to the fact that you are Muslim as well. It is some vain attempt to attach credibility to a shared religion and nostalgia. You are just the other side of the old Eurocentric coin but Islamcentric.

You focus on the one man that tried to fly and you call him as a fool because he thought to fly.

Big ideas start small, that is what you can't realize, you think that humans before thousands of years ago have to make Boeing and slim TV so you may call them Smarts and not fools, but that never works and all scientists in history will be to you fools including the one who invented the number 0
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Well it list multiple sources. The one I pulled was credible.


And wiki regular wiki is credible and sources as well.


VS the opinion of fanaticism, people who refuse credible knowledge to the point they are the least education religion belonging to the Abrahamic traditions

WikiIslam is an anti-Islamic wiki

WikiIslam - RationalWiki

it's credibility exactly looks as yours .zero .

if any ANTI is credible , so ISL is credible , because they are anti-western , and anti-democraty , also anti-Islam (because they both lieing about Islam, and plus ISL and other groups breaking it's rules) .

I believe all the muslims are considere WIKISLAM and ISL are anti-Islam , from different angles.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I guess the Muslim authors which commented and quoted his worked lied right? They misquoted him? They made up the quotes attributed to him. They fabricated his position so they could write books against this fabricated view?

This just proves to me you do not read anything you link.

if you lies in your post , why i need to read your source link ?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
His name is Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi, do you think the name Muhammad is for non muslim, so his name proves your lies.

"You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. … By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: "Produce something like it"‽ ""

Yes he sounds like a Muslim doesn't he :facepalm: He thought the Quran was a book of mythology and bad poetry. You know a person can have a name which sounds Muslim while not being Muslim. I have a Jewish name but I am not Jewish. His parents could of named him this but later in life he become a non-Muslim. Are you really this dense?

He is a Muslim but you don't feel comfortable to accept this fact because you hate any good things from Islam, but being skeptic about religion is another thing, i am a Muslim and i was skeptic about religion and i did many readings and investigation to find the truth, the prophet said while he was ill and dying that it is serious and that people have to be aware that afterlife judgement is real and he asked the people to pass the message to the next generation, many points convinced me that he was serious and deceiving myself is a wrong choice.

You are making a great case for the OP.


Algebra is an Arabic name by itself, can't you realize that.

So is admiralty but guess what there were leaders of fleets before the word was used in this manner. Agrippa commanded fleets centuries before the word was used in this way...

Flying doesn't happen magically, it started with men thinking to fly and then sacrificing their lives to achieve it.

Throwing one's self off a height with feathers on them is just dumb. All he did was the story of Daedalus all over again. His work did nothing as many fools did the same thing with no results.


At least some of these examples are not some fool with feathers on his arms jumping off a height. You are trying to say some fool that failed completely some how led to modern flight which is ridiculous. A man who is only record centuries after his life in which he flew faster than a fictional creatures. There is no credibility in his story when one mentions a mythical creature in comparison...



I was pointing out that the purpose of the article is obvious by neglecting Muslims and jumping to Europe and that is what you are looking for, you want it to be Chinese, Indian or whatever but not Muslims, you even deny Algebra which is Arabic by name.

You went to a site about China and complain that it is about the Chinese? Again you are making a great case for the OP here.


The other site isn't from Wiki but confirms the same point that exists in Wiki

Which shows that Google research is crap and why someone should not use it as a source. Congratulation on figuring this out after I told you...

You focus on the one man that tried to fly and you call him as a fool because he thought to fly.

No you focused on one fool and claim he founded the way to modern flight. I am just pointing out how stupid your argument is.

Big ideas start small, that is what you can't realize, you think that humans before thousands of years ago have to make Boeing and slim TV so you may call them Smarts and not fools, but that never works and all scientists in history will be to you fools including the one who invented the number 0

The idea which was already present in Greece for centuries... from a man which no one referenced in their work. A man who is so obsecure that there is not one contemporary source or one within a century of his life. He did nothing to progress the idea flight.

Inventing a number which works in math is far different from a complete failure of a man dressed as a mascot flying faster than a phoenix.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
"You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. … By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: "Produce something like it"‽ ""

Yes he sounds like a Muslim doesn't he :facepalm: He thought the Quran was a book of mythology and bad poetry. You know a person can have a name which sounds Muslim while not being Muslim. I have a Jewish name but I am not Jewish. His parents could of named him this but later in life he become a non-Muslim. Are you really this dense?

I said from start that he's a Muslim with his doubts about religion, the quran, the prophet including the prophet Muhammed, He was free to think bad about religion, he was free to write bad about religion, and the important point that he wasn't punished for doing so.

Did you understand or i had to repeat it 100 times ?


You are making a great case for the OP.

Because you don't understand what i did say and what i'm saying.


So is admiralty but guess what there were leaders of fleets before the word was used in this manner. Agrippa commanded fleets centuries before the word was used in this way...

Yes the same thing for Alcohol and Logarithms.
There is one quote that i really like which says "You can't fix stupid"

Throwing one's self off a height with feathers on them is just dumb. All he did was the story of Daedalus all over again. His work did nothing as many fools did the same thing with no results.

Because you're smart then you think he was a fool. :sarcastic
I'll try to help you but i don't think it'll work because of your stubbornness,i can't use other word due to the forum rules.

Check here, hope you at least can conclude something out of it
Ibn Firnas (crater) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world - CNN.com
Canadian Arab Friendship Association of Edmonton - Abbas Ibn Firnas


At least some of these examples are not some fool with feathers on his arms jumping off a height. You are trying to say some fool that failed completely some how led to modern flight which is ridiculous. A man who is only record centuries after his life in which he flew faster than a fictional creatures. There is no credibility in his story when one mentions a mythical creature in comparison...

Feather on his arms. :biglaugh:
That made him to fly for a while.
That what made him famous.

The first controlled hang glider flight was demonstrated by Abbas Ibn Firnas in al-Andalus in the ninth century. In the fifteenth century, Leonardo da Vinci's expressed his dream of flight in several designs, but he did not attempt to demonstrate flight.
In 1783, Jean-François Pilâtre de Rozier and François Laurent d'Arlandes flew 5 miles (8 km) over Paris in a hot air balloon invented by the Montgolfier brothers. The balloon was powered by a wood fire and was not steerable; that is, it flew wherever the wind took it. Thereafter, ballooning became a "rage" in Europe in the late eighteenth century, providing the first detailed understanding of the relationship between altitude and the atmosphere.
Aerospace engineering - New World Encyclopedia



You went to a site about China and complain that it is about the Chinese? Again you are making a great case for the OP here.

You are good in typing pointless words.


Which shows that Google research is crap and why someone should not use it as a source. Congratulation on figuring this out after I told you...

Again pointless words and even silly ones.

No you focused on one fool and claim he founded the way to modern flight. I am just pointing out how stupid your argument is.

The stupid thing is calling a scientist a fool, not because he was a scientist but because it happened that he was a Muslim,fanaticism at its best.

I wonder then, what do you think of Al-Jazari, was he fool too.

The idea which was already present in Greece for centuries... from a man which no one referenced in their work. A man who is so obsecure that there is not one contemporary source or one within a century of his life. He did nothing to progress the idea flight.

You have nothing to discuss other than flying.
What about his other works ? as to see how fool he was.

Abbas Ibn Firnas designed a water clock called Al-Maqata, devised a means of manufacturing colorless glass, invented various glass planispheres, made corrective lenses ("reading stones"), devised a chain of rings that could be used to simulate the motions of the planets and stars, and developed a process for cutting rock crystal that allowed Spain to cease exporting quartz to Egypt to be cut.[3][4]
In his house, he built a room in which spectators witnessed stars, clouds, thunder, and lightning, which were produced by mechanisms located in his basement laboratory. He also devised "some sort of metronome."[4]
Abbas Ibn Firnas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Inventing a number which works in math is far different from a complete failure of a man dressed as a mascot flying faster than a phoenix.

How do you think Zero reached Europe in the middle ages?
 
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