Mustard Seed

[WalterTrull]

Being an adherent to the ‘Mental Universe’ theory, I’m tussling with the subset of ideas surrounding the ‘mustard seed’ concept.

I imagine, as the power resides with the father, then faith is the prayer of the children. I’m dabbling in the realm of faith without constructs, but not faring too well, as of yet. We are apparently able to build monumental mental constructs to channel our faith and thereby move mountains or even just walk. (nuclear apparatus, skyscrapers, bulldozers, planes and trains and ferris wheels), but without them, faith seems so nebulous.

Anyone else in this tussle, and hopefully, more accomplished than I?

 

[JustGeorge]

When you say faith without constructs, what do you mean?

 

[Valjean]

By "faith," do you mean unsupported belief, or some kind of belief or belief system involving the supernatural?

 

[WalterTrull]

When you say faith without constructs, what do you mean?

Faith, it seems to me, is how we walk. We can’t walk of ourselves as the power is the father’s. (“Thy will be done…”) We do most often (not always, unfortunately) have faith that our bodies will carry us to where we’d like to go. Faith, in this instance, being the prayer to our father to walk. Apparently, our bodies are mental constructs of the earth (oh dear, that’s a whole ‘nuther thread). In the OP, I called nuclear apparatus, skyscrapers, bulldozers, planes and trains and ferris wheels mental constructs that channel our faith (prayers) to seemingly accomplish things, great and small.

This entire concept Is predicated on a mental universe, among other things.

 

[WalterTrull]

By "faith," do you mean unsupported belief, or some kind of belief or belief system involving the supernatural?

No, by faith I mean supported belief. Without the support of the father, faith would be useless. All quite natural, in my estimation.

 

[Valjean]

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No, by faith I mean supported belief. Without the support of the father, faith would be useless. All quite natural, in my estimation.

Supported how? With what evidence? Isn't supported faith "knowledge?"

Aren't you basing all this on an unevidenced premise of a 'Father', ie: aren't you trying to fit reality into a preconceived religious mythos?

 

[WalterTrull]

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Supported how? With what evidence? Isn't supported faith "knowledge?"

Aren't you basing all this on an unevidenced premise of a 'Father', ie: aren't you trying to fit reality into a preconceived religious mythos?

I premise this on the realization that there must be a father. The evidence is ‘us’. Furthermore, it seems we must be ‘one’ else how would we be aware of each other. My goodness, we communicate! Well, sometimes our communications seem slightly askew, never-the-less.

I feel that many religious mythoi were originally based on logoi. Unfortunately, time and retelling tend to distort logos into mythos. I do not adhere to any particular ‘religious’ mythos. However, logos gradually reveals itself and the relation to a bit of ‘mythos’ is quite fascinating.

 

[Valjean]

How are 'we' evidence of any father other than our biological ones?

 

[WalterTrull]

How are 'we' evidence of any father other than our biological ones?

You and I are basing our reasoning on different premises. Mine assumes we are not physical/biological, but mental beings, biology being an appearance.

Since I find Solipsism irrational, if we are mental beings, I’d think we must inhere in that same mentality. Otherwise, how could we be aware of each other? If that mentality creates the semblance of what we name biological, I refer to it as ‘father’. I may have inadvertently misled you to believe I was speaking of a ‘George Burns’ style father when I wasn’t.