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My Dad smokes coke and my mom shoots heroine.

martha

Active Member
This was a response from a young man who was arrested for stealing a car and trying to run from the police.
My question is this, if your parents are the so called dregs of the earth in your opinion, does that justify your doing something against the law? Has anyone here ever done anything wrong and then upon being confronted, pointed a finger at their parents as the reason for doing such a thing?
 

Saw11_2000

Well-Known Member
Hmmm...

I would personally think this classifies as mentally unstable or insane. Obviously, I don't think someone in extreme emotional termoil should face the same punishment as someone in their right mind. However, if they pose a danger to society, they should definitely be put in an institution for evaluation?

Does that answer your question?

After thinking about it a bit more, I do not think it's an excuse, thanks for the people who pointed out the holes in my fuzzy logic.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
martha said:
This was a response from a young man who was arrested for stealing a car and trying to run from the police.
My question is this, if your parents are the so called dregs of the earth in your opinion, does that justify your doing something against the law? Has anyone here ever done anything wrong and then upon being confronted, pointed a finger at their parents as the reason for doing such a thing?

Absolutely not. I know several people (myself included) that could justify being the most hateful, abusive people with that sort of excuse. I am responsible for my crimes and when I mistreat people. Nobody else.

It's possible, as Saw pointed out, that they may become mentally unstable, but if they're using that excuse, they understand what they did, so they're trying to get out of it. I'm not too sympathetic to the excuse.
 

Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
No, what your parents do doesn't justify your behavior. I do feel very sorry for people that didn't have good healthy direction as a child. They have rough time ahead trying to figure it all out. Hopefully, some are lucky and find a good teacher, little league coach, minister, relative or neighbor to help them out.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Martha, people say crazy stuff when they get arrested as opposed to true stuff. If his parents were not addicts, than maybe his sister died last night, or he just found out he has aids, or his wife is going to take away his kids..ect ect....
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
martha said:
This was a response from a young man who was arrested for stealing a car and trying to run from the police.
My question is this, if your parents are the so called dregs of the earth in your opinion, does that justify your doing something against the law? Has anyone here ever done anything wrong and then upon being confronted, pointed a finger at their parents as the reason for doing such a thing?
It should not be used as an excuse.

However a fair judge will take it into consideration due to the fact that a persons parents are responsible for instilling a basic ethical code and being raised by criminal coke heads can and does affect how a kid will percieve the world.

This kid should be punished and counseled but I wouldn`t throw the book at him.
 

Saw11_2000

Well-Known Member
Well in this specific case, I think it isn't an excuse. There are circumstances where it could be ruled that the person was mentally unstable, such as going home and finding someone dead or something, that would make you insane. Why all of a sudden did he do this, what makes this moment the moment to steal a car rather than earlier? He might be lying, and as someone pointed out, if they're using an excuse that quick, it seems pre-rehearsed and an act.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Saw11_2000 said:
Well in this specific case, I think it isn't an excuse. There are circumstances where it could be ruled that the person was mentally unstable, such as going home and finding someone dead or something, that would make you insane. Why all of a sudden did he do this, what makes this moment the moment to steal a car rather than earlier? He might be lying, and as someone pointed out, if they're using an excuse that quick, it seems pre-rehearsed and an act.

Of course, if you know enough to know you shouldn't be doing something, and are using it to explain why you're doing it, the chances are it is an excuse.
 

Saw11_2000

Well-Known Member
No*s said:
Of course, if you know enough to know you shouldn't be doing something, and are using it to explain why you're doing it, the chances are it is an excuse.
Thanks for pointing that out, I would have totally not thought of that if you hadn't mentioned it. A real person with a valid excuse would be more in shock and not knowing what to do than throwing out excuses right at the cops.
 

martha

Active Member
Good responses and I agree. This young man was asked if he stole the vehicle and he said no, it was his parents. When the officer asked if he could have his parents names, that is when he made that statement. Another officer in the background said"oh God", not in a sarchastic way, but with a certain sadness in his voice.

I too believe that a good judge would send him to counselling as well as give him some punishment for his actions. Unfortunately our justice system is only beginning to understand that to some degree it might be a justification in the mind of a young person who has never felt love, compassion and understanding. These young people perhaps have never known any other way of life. I can say that one should know the difference between right and wrong, but that is only my experience. I am fully aware that some truly only have access to negative inflictions upon their young lives. This is truly the only thing they understand.

I believe we who know better have some degree of obligation to interact with these young ones whenever we have the opportunity, to show them love and teach them how to accept the consequences of their actions.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Saw11_2000 said:
Thanks for pointing that out, I would have totally not thought of that if you hadn't mentioned it. A real person with a valid excuse would be more in shock and not knowing what to do than throwing out excuses right at the cops.

Welcome :).

I'm always suspicious when someone uses something to justify an action when they're in trouble. It almost always means that it's a facade :(.
 

martha

Active Member
Saw, I had the TV on as I was beginning to log on to RF. A show came on called "Cops". This show is the actual video of police encounters with law breakers. I guess camera crews go out with the cops on patrol and film what happens. This young man bolted from the vehicle and the police dog was chasing him. The officer also asked him what was the last reason he had been arrested, and he said, it was for stealing a car. So obviously this young man has a flagrant disregard for the law. This doesn't mean that he will never change. I am sure many of us have done some stupid things in our youth, but have since seen the errors of our ways. Perhaps there is still a chance for this young man.
Maybe I am too idealistic, but I always try to hold out hope for people.

I too have made some really unfortunate choices in my life and upon reflection have thought "How in the world could I have done that ?" I know better now. How about you? Have you done things in your youth that you would never think of doing now? Maybe you just never got caught. What was it that changed your way of thinking?
 

Saw11_2000

Well-Known Member
I'm still in my youth so I'm still doing stupid things. :)

You should never lose hope, we should try to change people like this into contributing members of society, they will live a better life, and maybe humanity could benefit as a whole. There are certain boundaries though, if you kill someone, you have lost all my hope, and basically have gone to the point of no return. I do not respect people who have gone that far, but stealing a car pales in comparison to taking someone's life.
 

Prima

Well-Known Member
This kind of event makes me so sad. While yes, our parents raised us, we are responsible for our own actions. Just because my dad is an ******* doesn't mean it's his fault if I am one. It DOES mean that I have to try harder than a lot of people not to be one. But at the end of the day, I am responsible for my actions. Not him. Although it is much easier to blame other people.

But another thing is - maybe that really IS the reason for his misbehavior. I'm going to go ahead and talk about my experiences to tell you what I mean. I had a mother complex, where I was the 'mother' for my family. I also was bipolar and depressed. This meant that I was miserable and incapable of asking for help. The human subconcious is much smarter than your concious mind a lot of the time. I started cutting. Now I can see that this was a call for help. Because I was incapable of asking for help, my subconsious mind was asking for it for me! In the same way, this young man's disregard for the law may be a call for help. I was watching a Joan of Arcadia where the best thing for the teenage boy was that he got caught. That way, he is definitely going to get help. And something like stealing a car? That's one of the most easy things to catch someone for. Did his subconcious mind know that?

While I can't really be sure that that's what this young man was doing, it's an important question to ask. Obviously he can't get help from his parents, so he needs to get it from somewhere. Even if he found a way to get help, chances are neither he nor his parents could (or would) pay for it. Getting arrested and telling about his parents are surefire ways for him to get help.

</emotional discourse>

But besides that, he may just be blaming it on someone else. Some people are jerks like that. It's NEVER their fault.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Prima said:
This kind of event makes me so sad. While yes, our parents raised us, we are responsible for our own actions. Just because my dad is an ******* doesn't mean it's his fault if I am one. It DOES mean that I have to try harder than a lot of people not to be one. But at the end of the day, I am responsible for my actions. Not him. Although it is much easier to blame other people.

But another thing is - maybe that really IS the reason for his misbehavior. I'm going to go ahead and talk about my experiences to tell you what I mean. I had a mother complex, where I was the 'mother' for my family. I also was bipolar and depressed. This meant that I was miserable and incapable of asking for help. The human subconcious is much smarter than your concious mind a lot of the time. I started cutting. Now I can see that this was a call for help. Because I was incapable of asking for help, my subconsious mind was asking for it for me! In the same way, this young man's disregard for the law may be a call for help. I was watching a Joan of Arcadia where the best thing for the teenage boy was that he got caught. That way, he is definitely going to get help. And something like stealing a car? That's one of the most easy things to catch someone for. Did his subconcious mind know that?

While I can't really be sure that that's what this young man was doing, it's an important question to ask. Obviously he can't get help from his parents, so he needs to get it from somewhere. Even if he found a way to get help, chances are neither he nor his parents could (or would) pay for it. Getting arrested and telling about his parents are surefire ways for him to get help.

</emotional discourse>

But besides that, he may just be blaming it on someone else. Some people are jerks like that. It's NEVER their fault.

I take a slightly different tack based on my experience.

I was raised in an enviroment where I remember being kicked, having hammers thrown at me, spending time in jail (bc my Mother resisted), lacking food because the hired hands needed to eat out, sleeping in the cold, etc. We rarely had a back door, because it was kicked down, and the TV, when we fixed it, was invariably broken. I ran into the pasture to spend time with animals, simply because being around people was literally dangerous. And this enviroment wasn't because my Father, or his family, were drunkards. They were always sober; they liked to do this (the violence is the easiest to take).

As a result, I learned my lessons well. Most animals I treated well, except for the cat, which I tormented mercilessly, and small wild animals which I would catch, and cut up while alive. Once I sent my sister to the hospital because I broke her arm for fun and as an experiment to see how much pressure it could take.

I always calculated what I did. I understood that I was causing pain. I liked it, and I only even threatened suicide when i wanted the attention consciously. I emulated everything I saw and understood.

Now, none of that excuses what I did. My background wasn't responsible for the choices I made. It was only responsible for the basic mental framework I took. It was my decision to hurt things, and it was my decision to remain angry, and the guilt for it will always rest firmly on my shoulders.

The young man Martha described is a lot lot like I was: doing something fully aware of the consequences and how to excuse it in society. It's calculated and does demonstrate a disregard for law and the people around him. No, he doesn't need the book thrown at him, but he does need help, partially not to pass the buck.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Saw11_2000 said:
Do you still like to cause pain No*s?

No. Now the act is rather repulsive, and so is hatred. It's been about 10 years since the last time I did that, so I feel I've kicked the habit :).
 

Saw11_2000

Well-Known Member
Did you like to cause pain just to other people, or did you also cause pain to yourself. Cutting, etc.?

Do you have a good relationship with your family now?

Sorry if I seem like I'm asking to many questions.
 
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