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My friendly views on Homosexuality

ΩRôghênΩ

ΩRôghênΩ

Disciple of Light
Friendly as in, loving, that way this time I am not mistaken as a Homophobe :(

My views as a Christian

Homosexual feelings, i concider OK. These feelings are usually natural and in all cases cannot be helped unless put out of the mind (Which is extremely difficult).

It is when those feeling are taken out as a relationship that this is wrong. This is choice.

When in sexual intercourse this is Extremely sinful.

My secular views

If I were an atheist, or in some sort of secular faith, I would regard Homosexuality in general as a mental or psychological disorder such as ADD or Schitzofrenia. When somone is handing out Homosexual relationships as a good thing, to me that's like saying, "Here, have some free ADD!" I have ADD so i know what it's like (not the best thing in the world:) )

Homosecual relationships tend to break familes and cause alot of sadness both among the individual who is homosexual, and the individuals who do not understand this

Love Not Hate

I love people despite their sexual orientation, yet i choose to help, not hurt.
Im making this clear because in the past I have been regarded as homophobic.
I have no problem in befrending and loving a Transsexual, a Homosexual, a Hemaphrodite, etc .
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
If I were an atheist, or in some sort of secular faith, I would regard Homosexuality in general as a mental or psychological disorder such as ADD or Schitzofrenia.
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Well, believe what you want, but professional medical and psychiatric organizations strongly disagree with you. I think I'll take their word over yours.

The American Psychological Association

The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals, nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice garbed in psychological accouterments. (American Psychological Association statement on homosexuality July, 1994).

"Scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's sexual behavior. It would require altering one's emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's self-concept and social identity." (1990)

"For nearly three decades, it has been known that homosexuality is not a mental illness. Medical and mental health professionals also now know that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be altered. Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help." (Dr. Raymond Fowler, American Psychological Association Executive Director)

On August 14, 1997 the American Psychological Association passed a resolution to restrict psychologists and therapists from engaging in the controversial practice of conversion or reparative therapy, which attempts to convert homosexuals into heterosexuals. The resolution was passed out of concern that some clients are being coerced by family members, employers or church officials to take part in therapies that have not proven to be effective.

The APA resolution affirms that therapists obtain informed consent from the client, which includes:

A full discussion of the client's potential for happiness as a homosexual.
Communication to the client that there is no sound scientific evidence that the therapy works.
Raising the possibility that therapy may exacerbate the client's problems.
An analysis of the client's true motivation for wanting to change.


The American Medical Association

The American Medical Association released a report in December, 1994 which calls for "a non-judgmental recognition of sexual orientation by physicians".

"Most of the emotional disturbance experienced by gay men and lesbians around their sexual identity is not based on physiological causes but rather is due more to a sense of alienation in an unaccepting environment. For this reason, aversion therapy (a behavioral or medical intervention which pairs unwanted behavior, in this case, homosexual behavior, with unpleasant sensations or aversive consequences) is no longer recommended for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."


American Academy of Pediatrics

"Confusion about sexual orientation is not unusual during adolescence. Counseling may be helpful for young people who are uncertain about their sexual orientation or for those who are uncertain about how to express their sexuality and might profit from an attempt at clarification through a counseling or psychotherapeutic initiative. Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

"Pediatricians should be aware that some of the youths in their care may be homosexual or have concerns about sexual orientation. Caregivers should provide factual, current, nonjudgmental information in a confidential manner."

"The psychosocial problems of gay and lesbian adolescents are primarily the result of societal stigma, hostility, hatred and isolation. The gravity of these stresses is underscored by current data that document that gay youths account for up to 30 percent of all completed adolescent suicides. Approximately 30 percent of a surveyed group of gay and bisexual males have attempted suicide at least once. Adolescents struggling with issues of sexual preference should be reassured that they will gradually form their own identity and that there is no need for premature labeling of one's sexual orientation."


The American Psychiatric Association

Homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgement, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities. The American Psychiatric Association calls on all international health orgranizations, and individual psychiatrists in other countries, to urge the repeal in their own country of legislation that penalizes homosexual acts by consenting adults in private. And further, the APA calls on these organizations and individuals to do all that is possible to decrease the stigma related to homosexuality wherever and whenever it may occur. (December 1992)

There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation. It is not described in the scientific literature, nor is it mentioned in the APA's latest comprehensive Task Force Report, Treatments of Psychiatric Disorders (1989).

Clinical experience suggests that any person who seeks conversion therapy may be doing so because of social bias that has resulted in internalized homophobia, and that gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so.

The board of trustees of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) passed a resolution in December of 1998 that condemns the practice of "reparative therapy". The APA's statement stressed that "reparative therapy", also known as "conversion therapy", is not harmless and often has deleterious effects. The statement said practitioners of "reparative therapy" often mislead patients and are motivated by personal prejudices.

"The potential risks of `reparative therapy' are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone `reparative therapy' relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing the effects of societal stigmatization discussed ... the APA opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as `reparative' or `conversion' therapy which is based on the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based on a prior assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual orientation."

From: http://web.archive.org/web/200212041...a_ama.html#ama
Homosecual relationships tend to break familes and cause alot of sadness both among the individual who is homosexual, and the individuals who do not understand this
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No, it's not the relationship, but the misunderstanding and prejudice against the relationship that cause this to happen.

But I really don't care what you think about those things. My only concern is do you support restricting the legal rights of gay and lesbian couples?
 
ΩRôghênΩ

ΩRôghênΩ

Disciple of Light
Well then, take for instance you love3 somone dearly but you see they are involved with drugs. I love and help peacefully. its not prejudice, its doing what i morally think is right to make a stable world
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
i dont wish to see them being married, but i dont want to see restriction of rights either. im not very sure on that
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Well, not allowing gay and lesbian couples to have a civil marriage is restricting their legal rights. Period.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
Well then, take for instance you love3 somone dearly but you see they are involved with drugs. I love and help peacefully. its not prejudice, its doing what i morally think is right to make a stable world
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So being gay is like being involved in drugs? GLBT people make the world unstable? What happened to the loving attitude?
 
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standing_alone

Well-Known Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
If I were an atheist, or in some sort of secular faith, I would regard Homosexuality in general as a mental or psychological disorder such as ADD or Schitzofrenia.
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Well, that's certainly a friendly view.:rolleyes:

Homosecual relationships tend to break familes and cause alot of sadness both among the individual who is homosexual, and the individuals who do not understand this
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Any proof of this?

I love people despite their sexual orientation, yet i choose to help, not hurt.
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Yeah well, you certainly did a great job at that.:rolleyes:

Im making this clear because in the past I have been regarded as homophobic.
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Sorry, but I can see why.
 
mr.guy

mr.guy

crapsack
~Lord Roghen~ said:
Im not trying to offend anyone, this is why i backed up my loving portion. last time i didnt and some people decided to get angry
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I'm not angry; i can totally see where you're coming from. I'd never slap around a woman without telling her how much i love her first...

Doesn't work that well either, does it?
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
Im not trying to offend anyone, this is why i backed up my loving portion. last time i didnt and some people decided to get angry
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I'm not angry and not offended. I just don't see how you can say this attitude is loving when you say we are mentally ill, compare our sexual orientation to doing drugs, say we make the world unstable..... telling someone these things is not helping them. What makes you think they need your help in the first place?
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
Well im trying to talk as lightly and positivly as i can without offense. if its not good enough then i dont know what to say
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Instead of saying anything, why not try listening for a while.
 
ΩRôghênΩ

ΩRôghênΩ

Disciple of Light
alot of people menatlly ill. Just in different ways. and to different extents. For instance i suffer anxiety, depression, panic attacks, OCD, ADD,among other things
 
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