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My Introduction: An ex-Muslim from Indonesia

TommyDar

Member
Hello everyone and Good Morning/Good Evening:

My name is Tommy (not my real name, but mine adopted Western name). I am 29 years old, from Indonesia and I'm an ex-Muslim. In the past I've been quite a religious person. In fact, my father was a Imam, and a couple of my uncles were Qadi (judge of Sharia law) and Mullahs. I come from a very religious family and raised almost to believe in religion.

Still I wanted to study electrical engineering, so that's what I did. So in 2001 I began my studies at the University of Indonesia. After I finished that, I went abroad to study and studied in the West for some time. I earned a Master's degree in 2007, in Electrical Engineering, after which I switched to studying Political science, and earned a doctorate in that field in 2012. During my time studying politics, I became exposed to further ideas not only in my field of study, but as well in philosophy, logic, culture, and religion. But after a long process, I came to my own conclusions and from then on, I had begun to realize Islam as an illusion of human creation, not as the divine.

I returned to Indonesia only a few years ago, in the middle parts of 2012. It is certainly not easy to be an atheist here. There is some limited religious "tolerance" but only if you are religious (the official policy of the government is to only recognize the "major" religions of the world that believe in "Monotheism": Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Confucianism, and Hinduism), but Atheists are technically not protected under the law.

I hope one day I can go into politics and although it is a long shot, my dream is to be Indonesia's first Atheist President.
 

TommyDar

Member
Greetings!

Good luck running for prez, btw.

Thank you very much!

I am not running for President yet, as I do not have any political experience at the moment. There would be no way to compete with the older, more experienced politicians, especially those who can appeal to the general public through using religious manipulation. Also the current law in Indonesia is that you have to be at least 35 years of age (I am only 29), and believe in the "one and only God" (by which they mean the Muslim or Christian "god"). So the law would need to change first before I could even run.

In fact, it would be even quite difficult to get elected to the Regional Representative Council (a position which is like that of a Senator) if people knew you were openly Atheist, since Indonesia is still a very conservative, and in some places, backwards, nation.
 
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Draka

Wonder Woman
Welcome Tommy. I guess you have a road ahead of you if you're going to change that law. One step at a time huh?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Good luck at changing the laws in the largest Muslim majority country on the planet, TommyDar.
 

TommyDar

Member
Good luck at changing the laws in the largest Muslim majority country on the planet, TommyDar.

Yes there is very much to be done.

While abroad I learned about American history; at first Blacks couldn't vote or take office. Among White people, the Catholics were held in high suspicion because they were different from Protestants.

I would like to see a free, democratic and above all - Secular - Indonesia some day in the future. Fortunately, more and more Indonesians are going abroad, either to Europe or to Canada or America, and they are coming back with fresh ideas. But if Indonesia is to truly be a member of the civilized world, the key point is reducing the influence of religion in public life, and eventually eliminate it altogether. I concentrate on Islam because I am an ex-Muslim and Indonesia is 80% Muslim.
 
Yes there is very much to be done.

While abroad I learned about American history; at first Blacks couldn't vote or take office. Among White people, the Catholics were held in high suspicion because they were different from Protestants.

I would like to see a free, democratic and above all - Secular - Indonesia some day in the future. Fortunately, more and more Indonesians are going abroad, either to Europe or to Canada or America, and they are coming back with fresh ideas. But if Indonesia is to truly be a member of the civilized world, the key point is reducing the influence of religion in public life, and eventually eliminate it altogether. I concentrate on Islam because I am an ex-Muslim and Indonesia is 80% Muslim.
Are you familiar with the works of Thomas Paine? I think his writings did much to persuade his religious American audience to embrace the principles of secular government. He often used the Bible and the history of religion to actually argue in favor of the principles of democracy and secular government, without seeming to criticize religious belief itself.
 

Freedomelf

Active Member
Hello, Tommy, and welcome to the forum. I hope you get your chance. While I am not an atheist, I think this world would be a better place if there were more atheists in office. It would probably expand religious tolerance (and non-religious tolerance) to include all peoples, whether they are from the traditional monotheist religions or not.
 

Atman

Member
Welcome to RF

That is a very lofty goal you have set yourself, but none the less it is admirable, and if you never dream to do great things, you will never accomplish great things.
 

TommyDar

Member
Are you familiar with the works of Thomas Paine? I think his writings did much to persuade his religious American audience to embrace the principles of secular government. He often used the Bible and the history of religion to actually argue in favor of the principles of democracy and secular government, without seeming to criticize religious belief itself.

I am familiar with Thomas Paine. But I think Islam is different from Christianity, because in a sense Jesus was not as much of a political figure. The extent of his political advice was, "Give to Caesar what is Caesars, and to God what is God's".

Islam however in varying degrees demands subordination only to God meaning that essentially the fully Islamic state can only be a theocratic dictatorship, while since Jesus did not openly say what a political system should be, a Christian state could be a Kingdom, a Republic, a Democracy, or even an Anarchy.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
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