My Issues With Romans One

[Faithofchristian]

The bible is about faith and things unseen, not science.

The bible is about faith and things unseen, not science.

Maybe you should study the Bible more.

In the book of Daniel 1:4 --"Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skillful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the leaning and tongue of the Chaldeans"

Therefore the bible does teach about having knowledge and understanding science.

Even disciple Luke was a physician which he used science to help him to treat people.

Ask any Physician if they use science to help them to treat people.

1 Timothy 6:20 --"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and opposition of science falsely so called"

Therefore science is good if used in the right way.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yet you brought up the homosexuals... for who knows what reason? I can only try to guess. Are homosexuals the only people who think are the exception to 1:20 since you seem to have such imaginary view that they can't believe?


You're still not waking up. I'm not an atheist and the statement is still false.


Paul had his ideas that you've chosen to believe, because it's written, not because it's true.


This is akin to the vegan saying "The only reason you eat meat is because you hate animals" while providing no proof. You just want to believe 1:20 because you feel it gives you the right to judge unbelievers and avoid guilt over it. 1:20 is false. I know it is false, because I used to be an atheist for decades, never felt the slightest "guilt" that you chosen to believe. Never had any feeling that God's signs are there. Only through experiencing God did I change. No hidden signs, no invisible symbols, no people making up things about atheists convinced me.

No I didn't bring up about homosexualit,
The Tread is about Romans Chapter 1.
Therefore if you read in Verse's 27 - 32.

You will find Romans
Chapter 1 Verse's 27 - 32 is about men with men, homosexualit.
And notice in Romans 1:30 haters of God.
So what group of people do not believe in God, Atheists that's Who.

 

[Jumi]

No I didn't bring up about homosexualit,
The Tread is about Romans Chapter 1.
Therefore if you read in Verse's 27 - 32.

Between you and I, we were talking about 1:20 when you felt need to start talking about them. Still remain completely unconvinced about 1:20 as you interpret it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Is that what you believe it says. Well that's a new interpretation to me. Often it's used by Christians to insult non-believers.

I wonder what you think about @Faithofchristian 's view that it's about giving him right to judge other people as guilty conscience for something that "everyone is supposed to know, because Paul wrote so and his letter got in the Bible."

No one and this includes Paul puts anything in the Bible, unless God wants it in the Bible.

So are you saying that Atheists believe in the Godhead, As far as I recall Atheists do not believe in God, That's why they are called Atheists.

Therefore show one Atheists that believe's in Romans 1:20, About the Godhead and creation ?

 

[Jumi]

No one and this includes Paul puts anything in the Bible, unless God wants it in the Bible.

So are you saying that Atheists believe in the Godhead, As far as I recall Atheists do not believe in God, That's why they are called Atheists.

Therefore show one Atheists that believe's in Romans 1:20, About the Godhead and creation ?

Huh? Did you think I said something like that...??

Of course no atheist would believe Romans 1:20, because they don't feel the guilt that you imagine they do.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Between you and I, we were talking about 1:20 when you felt need to start talking about them. Still remain completely unconvinced about 1:20 as you interpret it.

Between me and you
The Tread is about Romans Chapter 1.
That means the whole Chapter 1.

But as for 1:20, So you want people to believe that Atheists believe in the invisible things of him ( God ) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his ( God ) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"

So are you saying that Atheists believe in 1:20 above that claims the power of God from the creation. That's a new one, Atheist means a person who does not believe in God.
So how does Atheists fit into Romans 1:20

 

[Faithofchristian]

Huh? Did you think I said something like that...??

Of course no atheist would believe Romans 1:20, because they don't feel the guilt that you imagine they do.

Then why do Atheists let Christians bother them,
If I'm out and talking with people, all I have to do is make mention that I am Christian and Atheists goes jumping.
So why do Atheists let Christians bother them so much if they have no guilt.

Atheists don't bother me and I don't let them. But man they sure get all work up just at the mentioning of christianity.
And the same with homosexualit and Atheists thats their life, go live it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Huh? Did you think I said something like that...??

Of course no atheist would believe Romans 1:20, because they don't feel the guilt that you imagine they do.

Then why do Atheists let Romans 1 bother them?

 

[idav]

No I didn't bring up about homosexualit,
The Tread is about Romans Chapter 1.
Therefore if you read in Verse's 27 - 32.

You will find Romans
Chapter 1 Verse's 27 - 32 is about men with men, homosexualit.
And notice in Romans 1:30 haters of God.
So what group of people do not believe in God, Atheists that's Who.

And the verses 26 is about women. The verses attempt to say any ladies or gentlemen with those thoughts are some how evil yet god would be purposely putting these thoughts.

 

[Faithofchristian]

And the verses 26 is about women. The verses attempt to say any ladies or gentlemen with those thoughts are some how evil yet god would be purposely putting these thoughts.

So thanks for pointing that out, So women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
Meaning women with women, The same as men with men.
Women = lesbians
Men = homosexualls
Therefore none are left out.

 

[Jumi]

Between me and you
The Tread is about Romans Chapter 1.

That means the whole Chapter 1.

Ok, I only cared to comment on 1:20, because it's false. The rest never interested me which is why I never replied to it.

Then why do Atheists let Romans 1 bother them?

It never bothered me that way when I was atheist because I knew it was false. What bothered me then and now that that I have God are people who had these strange ideas about 1:20 being proof that atheists see invisible signs of creation and have no excuse for not believing in God.

But as for 1:20, So you want people to believe that Atheists believe in the invisible things of him ( God ) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his ( God ) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"

Huh? Never said anything like that. Atheists don't feel the guilt you imagine they have and they don't see invisible proofs of God. So saying they don't have an excuse for not believing in things they don't have proof for is ridiculous.

So are you saying that Atheists believe in 1:20 above that claims the power of God from the creation. That's a new one, Atheist means a person who does not believe in God.

That's new to me too, because I didn't say anything like that. Still not convinced.

So how does Atheists fit into Romans 1:20

They don't fit 1:20 because it's false.

 

[idav]

No excuse for the sin of disbelief will be accepted on Judgement Day since it is so obvious.

Disbelief of God or belief in Romans as the word of God?

 

[idav]

So thanks for pointing that out, So women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
Meaning women with women, The same as men with men.
Women = lesbians
Men = homosexualls
Therefore none are left out.

I don't want to know about the preaching. I am asking about a god that purposely does that to people.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I don't want to know about the preaching. I am asking about a god that purposely does that to people.

God does not purposely do that to people.

It's people who chooses to do those things.
If a person is that determine to do those things, Then God gave them over to do those things.

It's like you trying to talk to a person out of doing something.
But if they are that determine to do it.
So would you keep talking, knowing it's not going to do any good or would you let them go.
You would let them go, knowing just how determine they are to do it.

 

[idav]

God does not purposely do that to people.

It's people who chooses to do those things.
If a person is that determine to do those things, Then God gave them over to do those things.

It's like you trying to talk to a person out of doing something.
But if they are that determine to do it.
So would you keep talking, knowing it's not going to do any good or would you let them go.
You would let them go, knowing just how determine they are to do it.

Those verses are to guilt trip people for not believing, it's hogwash.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ok, I only cared to comment on 1:20, because it's false. The rest never interested me which is why I never replied to it.


It never bothered me that way when I was atheist because I knew it was false. What bothered me then and now that that I have God are people who had these strange ideas about 1:20 being proof that atheists see invisible signs of creation and have no excuse for not believing in God.


Huh? Never said anything like that. Atheists don't feel the guilt you imagine they have and they don't see invisible proofs of God. So saying they don't have an excuse for not believing in things they don't have proof for is ridiculous.


That's new to me too, because I didn't say anything like that. Still not convinced.


They don't fit 1:20 because it's false.

Romans 1:20 is not false, if you understand what it's saying.

What the 1:20 is saying, that with God's power of creation and nature stands there as God's proof. That no one has no excuse.

It's no more than you talking to people, trying to warn them That the bridge is out.
But if they are that determine to cross the bridge, they are without excuse, They can not come to you come plaining about the bridge, When you gave them fair enough warning in advance. So they are without a excuse.

That's what 1:20 is about, giving a warning, but if they refuse the warning, There's no excuse

 

[Faithofchristian]

Those verses are to guilt trip people for not believing, it's hogwash.

No those Verse's are just giving a warning. For those who do those things, That after all the warnings, and they still want to do those things they are without a Excuse.

 

[idav]

No those Verse's are just giving a warning. For those who do those things, That after all the warnings, and they still want to do those things they are without a Excuse.

Oh right because they are choosing to have their hearts hardened, got it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Oh right because they are choosing to have their hearts hardened, got it.

What ever are you talking about them choosing to have their hearts hardened.
There's nothing in Romans 1 about people choosing to have their hearts hardened.

There's this bridge and the sign does say, Danger bridge unsafe to cross.

But yet a person did not obey the sign and went any how and went to cross the bridge and the bridge fell, That now they are without excuse.
They didn't heed the sign warning the bridge is unsafe to cross.

That's all Romans 1 is doing, is giving a warning and if people do not heed the warning given, Then they are without excuse.

 

[Jumi]

Romans 1:20 is not false, if you understand what it's saying.

What the 1:20 is saying, that with God's power of creation and nature stands there as God's proof. That no one has no excuse.

Well now, what you're saying is false. What will be your excuse if you meet God that you made him into something false? Have you read Matthew 7:1-3

It's no more than you talking to people, trying to warn them That the bridge is out.

Other religions also do the same, they warn us of hell if we disbelieve. I'll believe the first one that gives evidence. As it is, God doesn't seem that interested in this religion game.

But if they are that determine to cross the bridge, they are without excuse, They can not come to you come plaining about the bridge, When you gave them fair enough warning in advance. So they are without a excuse.

And when there is lot of crying for wolf, but the wolf doesn't appear, who will believe the messenger?

That's what 1:20 is about, giving a warning, but if they refuse the warning, There's no excuse

So what's the excuse that people could only read this in the Bible for a few hundred years and only a minority of people who have lived since Paul have ever heard of it?