Protons and neutrons are not fundamental.
I would decompose them in the quarks they are made of , so that you deal only with leptons and quarks. All small enough.
Just a tiny simplification of your model.
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Protons and neutrons are not fundamental.
I would decompose them in the quarks they are made of , so that you deal only with leptons and quarks. All small enough.
Just a tiny simplification of your model.
Ciao
- viole
outhouse
Atheistically
Thanks, I'm out of my league here and know it
I tried simple language to explain my imagination, I tried to stay with what is accepted as far as I know which is probably less then grade school.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Setting pseudoscience and any mystical interpretations aside, it can be said in a rather simple way that everything is interaction in one form or another. Gravity is a form of interaction. Those things we call life, death, and consciousness are also forms of interaction. Some forms are more complex than others.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Well that's the TOE alright....now for the details...
Skwim
Veteran Member
Although it expresses itself as an interaction, interactions with other substances like matter, light, and sub-atomic particles, in of itself it's a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy; and resulting in time dilation, where time lapses more slowly in strong gravitation. It's exact nature is unknown, however science often treats it as a particle of sorts, a graviton. Actually, this is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory.
Source: Wikipedia
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Skwim
Veteran Member
Interactions of what with what?
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Everything. How can anything be the consequence of something else if no interaction has taken place?
Skwim
Veteran Member
Okay, so you don't know, you don't know. Nothing new around here. Have a good day.
outhouse
Atheistically
I'm not sure you are setting anything aside.
They are not interactions of any kind in context to anything in this thread. It is non sequitur to any aspect of anyone's TOE.
Life factually has nothing to do with the mechanics of TOE
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Except that the mechanics for TOE are conceptualized theories from the mind of living being... No life....no mechanics of TOE! Haha....
Oh? Well there are tons of interesting things to learn about in particle physics nowadays. I'll strum up a few things I can think of that might be useful:Thanks, I'm out of my league here and know it
I tried simple language to explain my imagination, I tried to stay with what is accepted as far as I know which is probably less then grade school.
- There are two broad classes of particles, fermions and bosons. Fermions are particles with fractional spin (spin values such as 1/2, 3/2, etc.) and bosons are particles with integral spin (spin values such as 0, 1, 2, etc.). Examples of fermions are elections, quarks (as well as the protons and neutrons they make up) and neutrinos. Examples of bosons are photons, gluons (which mediate the strong nuclear force), the Higgs boson and the hypothetical graviton. The consequences of this are profound, as two fermions cannot occupy the same quantum mechanical state at the same time whereas any number of bosons can. This means that you can only have a finite number of fermions in a given volume of space. I remember the difference by saying that "fermions" are "firm".
This is ultimately what prevents white dwarf stars from collapsing, as the electrons within them are compressed so much that the quantum mechanical rules keeping fermions from being at the same place at the same time (known as the Pauli exclusion principle) supply a degeneracy pressure to counteract the force of gravity. If gravity is too extreme, the star will collapse anyway, fusing electrons and protons together into neutrons and neutrinos. These neutrons, which are also fermions, now supply their own degeneracy pressure to hold them up against further collapse. The resulting star, now only about 10-15 miles across is called a neutron star for this reason. Increase the mass enough and even neutron degeneracy pressure cannot support it, causing it to collapse into a black hole (which, outside of the whole singularity thing, has an unknown internal structure).
- The strong nuclear force take two forms: that which binds quarks into nucleons (the proton and neutron) and that which binds protons and neutrons to each other to form atomic nuclei. The quark-binding strong nuclear force is mediated by bosons called gluons, which always bind quarks together to get a total color charge of "white" (it's not literally white: the word "color charge" is used in a similar sense for the quark-binding nuclear force as "electric charge" is used for the electromagnetic force. Quarks can be red, blue or green individually, and these three colors add up to white. Only states of white charge are known to exist, which is why individual quarks cannot be isolated. Antiquarks are yellow, cyan and magenta, which are opposites to red, blue and green. This means that one quark and one antiquark can bind together to get a total color charge of white. These are called meson particles). Theoretically, any sum of color charges that results in white can exist, such as three quarks, a quark-antiquark pair, or three quarks plus a quark-antiquark pair (these are known as pentaquarks, which are unstable and decay quickly).
The nucleon-binding strong nuclear force is carried by meson particles. Since mesons are composed partly of matter and partly of antimatter, they are unstable and decay quickly. Therefore, the field of force that they carry is very short-ranged, only holding particles together when they move very close to each other. Under most circumstances, this form of the strong nuclear force is strongly attractive (about 1,000 times stronger than electromagnetism), but if two particles are moved very, very close to each other, it becomes repulsive instead. This form of the strong nuclear force is measured by "hypercharge", which is +1 for neutrons and protons and -1 for antineutrons and antiprotons.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Explain how we can have such thing as the effect of gravity if there are no forces or interactions bringing about this effect.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
As far as I'm concerned, a theory of everything can never be a true theory of everything if it fails to explain exactly that...everything. Life, death and consciousness are a part of that everything. According to my theory, everything is interaction. Life, death and consciousness are complex forms of interaction. Gravity may not be a 'force' technically, but it is nevertheless the result or effect of physical interactions. Interaction IS everything. The universe is an infinite, interactive field. Some might call that the Unified Field.
Skwim
Veteran Member
But we're not talking about any effect gravity may have---the attraction between two bodies---but gravity itself. As I said, gravity is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy . . . . Consider the analogy given below. Text from Wkipedia.
Two-dimensional analogy of spacetime distortion generated by the
mass of an object. Matter changes the geometry of spacetime, this
(curved) geometry being interpreted as gravity. White lines do not
represent the curvature of space but instead represent the
coordinate system imposed on the curved spacetime, which would
be rectilinear in a flat spacetime.
Considering at the analogy: even if there was no other body the distorted geometry of the space around the large sphere could work with---influence---(take the smaller sphere away) the curvature of space (gravity) surrounding the sphere would still be there.
outhouse
Atheistically
That is already explained. People are born and die. That is life and death.
Conscious minds evolved, there that is explained.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
But we're not talking about any effect gravity may have---the attraction between two bodies---but gravity itself. As I said, gravity is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy . . . . Consider the analogy given below. Text from Wkipedia.
Two-dimensional analogy of spacetime distortion generated by the
mass of an object. Matter changes the geometry of spacetime, this
(curved) geometry being interpreted as gravity. White lines do not
represent the curvature of space but instead represent the
coordinate system imposed on the curved spacetime, which would
be rectilinear in a flat spacetime.
Considering at the analogy: even if there was no other body the distorted geometry of the space around the large sphere could work with---influence---(take the smaller sphere away) the curvature of space (gravity) surrounding the sphere would still be there.
con·se·quence
1. a result or effect of an action or condition.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That people are born and die is not an explanation for life and death.
That conscious minds evolved does not explain what consciousness is.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Very good.
outhouse
Atheistically
Here ill explain it because it obvious.
The conscious mind is the ability to think. It is an instinct that lest us hunt, and avoid being hunted. An animal has to be aware of its surrounding or it will simply become food.
Anything else is pie in the sky imaginative based modern mythology based on ancient mythology.