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My rant about Shabbat

xkatz

Well-Known Member
I think that practicing a "cold" Shabbat (ie no electronics, hot food, using locks, etc.) goes against the actual practice of Shabbat. By preventing ourselves from doing these things, we are only adding work to Shabbat- Making sure we don't turn on lights, cook food, etc. Shabbat is NOT about not going out of our way to make sure we don't do X. Rather, it is about rest. I find it ludicrous to think that a "cold" Shabbat is consider rest. It is unreasonable to worry about such things. The point of Shabbat is to rest and enjoy oneself, AND also to remember G-d. And with a "cold" Shabbat I feel that people tend to overemphasis regulations and laws, and not G-d.

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Levite

Higher and Higher
I think that practicing a "cold" Shabbat (ie no electronics, hot food, using locks, etc.) goes against the actual practice of Shabbat. By preventing ourselves from doing these things, we are only adding work to Shabbat- Making sure we don't turn on lights, cook food, etc. Shabbat is NOT about not going out of our way to make sure we don't do X. Rather, it is about rest. I find it ludicrous to think that a "cold" Shabbat is consider rest. It is unreasonable to worry about such things. The point of Shabbat is to rest and enjoy oneself, AND also to remember G-d. And with a "cold" Shabbat I feel that people tend to overemphasis regulations and laws, and not G-d.

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OK, wait a sec. So, no electronics, I understand. But who says that during a traditional Shabbat you can't have hot food or use locks?

You can't cook food from scratch, sure, but you can warm food up that was cooked before Shabbat. You just leave the oven on, or a burner, or you get a hot plate and put it on a timer. And as for locks...who says you can't use a lock?! True, if you live somewhere without an eruv (the ritual enclosure put up in most large Jewish communities to de jure turn the public domain into the private domain), you can't carry your keys more than a few steps outside the house, but there's nothing that says you can't have a hide-a-key, or a key-rock, or a combination lock key safe near your door. I have never heard anyone say that you just can't use a lock at all, though. I can't think of a halakhic basis for such an idea.

I agree, there are those who totally overemphasize the letter of the law. And I don't agree with all the Orthodox interpretations, either-- personally, I have no halakhic problem with using electricity on Shabbat. But I also do enjoy some of the more traditional aspects of Shabbat. I think that if one has not grown up doing them, they can take some getting used to, but even not cooking on Shabbat (and I enjoy cooking), or not carrying outside the house in the absence of an eruv I find are vigorous reminders that this day is not like other days, and it is not a day centered around me, but on the Creator.

I definitely think that there are lots of people who've lost track of the need to focus on the spiritual refreshment of Shabbat, on rest as a tool for getting in touch with themselves and their Creator. No doubt. But I also don't know that those things can't be done while following some, if not even most, of the traditional rules of observance. I just don't think it has to be either-or.
 

Dena

Active Member
I haven't heard against a prohibition against locks either. Actually just the other day I was reading and older Orthodox Responsa on setting alarm systems. The idea seemed to be that it wasn't the best idea but if the person feels unsafe, they need to just go ahead and set it. Of course it would be better to do it before hand but then you can get in or out. Today they can probably be put on some sort of timer, perhaps? I don't know.

And like Levite said, you can have warm food. Crock pots, blechs, etc all help with those. Personally I use the microwave but that is an area where I'd like to move forward (as in, quit doing).
 
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Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Timers are wonderful things!:D

On Shabbat, I am no longer a slave to the things around me, those things are all on automatic. Coffee is ready, the lights come on, the crock pot is ready...

Carrying keys is a problem, and some use keypad entry locks instead. In the rural area I live in, lots don't lock their doors at all anyways unless they go out for a long time.

It's all about the separation of sacred from the profane/mundane ... if something breaks the spirit of shabbat for you either by causing hardship and worry OR by causing a prohibited action, then neither situation is acceptable and should be corrected.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
OK, wait a sec. So, no electronics, I understand. But who says that during a traditional Shabbat you can't have hot food or use locks?

I remember someone mentioning locks as being prohibited on Shabbat. As for the hot food thing it was based on my travels to Israel, were in some places they do not serve hot food on Saturday/Shabbat.

Also, what do you exactly mean when you mention "traditional aspects"?
 
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Whoitbe

Member
If you really want the answer as to why keeping a "cold shabbat" is technically the proper way to keep shabbat, here is the answer. I feel fairly qualified to explain this matter and the misconceptions you seem to have about it. From the halachic standpoint anyways... Seeing as I do study on yeshiva and have an entire library in the next room on the subject matter, lol.

I think you're at a misconception of what "rest" and "work" means as it's defined by oral law/Torah. The idea of "work" is defined as work in which you are doing a process which changes the infrastructure of the physical world as it's defined by Halacha. The word used for work is מלחא(melacha, I think that's how it's spelled?) - as opposed to אבודה(the word ALWAYS used for work except in reference to shabbat). It's more so, if you look at it - creative works. Works that involve a creative process.*

There are 39 melachot which we are forbidden to do according to the Talmud. It's in mishna shabbos. If you want a complete list, it's do a google on mishna shabbat 73a( try mishnah shabbos 73a if you can't find it).*Here's an example from the Gemara I'm learning. However, they're effectively derived from the types of work listed in the building of the temple/tabernacle. Those types of work are forbidden, where as say... Moving a table wouldn't be since it was never part of what was considered work in the building on the mishkan(tabernacle).

You can cut open a barrel of wine on shabbat but you can't tear a shirt - it says this is Makkos, in the Gemara for the 3rd mishna somewhere on the bottom of the second page (can't remember what page it is specifically). Now, why is this? Because the way a barrel (in those days at least) is made is by multiple slabs and bound together by metal bands and serves a vessel for carrying wine. When you cut open the barrel, it effectively renders it just a cut open barrel. Same thing as opening a soda... With a sword >:)*

However, this works on different levels as opposed to why tearing the shirt does not. Such as... It has not been bonded in the same way the garment was made, since the garment is effectively one thing and tha garment being referred to was the garment for the tzitzit. Which is a 4 corner garment made entirely of wool or just one material(cotton is also acceptable) - though this prohibition carries over to all garments. Where as the barrel functions as one unit to serve one purpose, which is storing a liquid, and is bonded together with mutiple slabs of wood and bands of metal and functions on pressure from gas from *the fermented wine inside.

Effectively, since the barrel works from multiple objects, when you cut it open you're not changing its use as a single vessel, only opening it up. Where as the garment which has been torn now can be used as a different vessel, seeing as it is made of one material(fabric of some sort). Effectively, in the one case of tearing the shirt, you're breaking something that was bonded and has the ability to now serve a different function. Which in the case of the tzitzit, would be having a wider neck opening. Therefor, it is indeed an object that was bonded together for one purpose, which is being broken and can now be used for a different purpose. Where as the wine barrel which functions in a different manner of bonding being cut open does not pose a problem since it has been effectively opened up and still isthe same vessel which still is meant for the same purpose.

See what I'm saying? In one instance you're altering something which is considered a sigular vessel made of one material, the other since it is not one material it is not an issue to destroy since it's not been bonded in the way which it would be considered merged.

Therefor, to illustrate one is an act which changes the fundamental nature of it's being - the other is not. That's what true rest in the spiritual sense is and it is encompassd in a the 39 melachot which were used to build the temple. When the temple(or tabernacle) was built, it effectively epitomized the nature of holiness in the physical world. The 39 works which were done in this building of the holy temple emphasized the truly deep philosophical implications of what work is because the types of labor done to build the temple, were philosophically speaking every possible type of change which can be physically done in this world.*

Therefor, the reasons which seemingly simple and effortless works which sometimes make life easier, such as driving and turning on a light, are forbidden - is because they philosophically are changing the nature of what is at hand. That is work. Work changes things. To rest means to abstain from changing the world - not necessarily sitting on your *** and having a day off from your job. Because a job is not always work. If you think that this is what rest is in the case of the Torah, then, certainly if someone asked me to stay at their house over shabbat and watch over it - then would this be forbidden? Because that would by your understanding of work, per force would be forbidden.

A simple answer to some of the other halachic issues on this thread: you can have hot food on shabbat. Only if it's heat source is put on before shabbat. Thus crockpots are a common thing, ever have chollant?

Locks are not forbidden. However, electric locks are as using electricity violates multiple prohibitions in most cases.*

One of which is applicable in some cases, kindling fire. How? Electricity comes from generators - most electricity comes from generators which indeed kindle fire.

Another reason would be building. Turning on the electrical appliance completes an electrical circuit which is fundamentally the same as building. The same would carry over for an electrical keypad lock since you're completing a circuit. Fundamentally, this is akin to building.

This also in the same breath falls under the rabbinic prohibition of creating. Though all prohibited acts share the same common factor, creating, it was created as an additional prohibition by the rabbis. It becomes another issue in ADDITION to building when you operate anything electrical, particularly when you activate an electrical circuit. Because not only did you do the act of building, but you also, as a RESULT OF BUILDING created a brand new circuit which is very serious. Since it can be used to operate various electronic appliances and is something new.

Keys and locks otherwise are definitely not forbidden. However, all laws of shabbat become nullified to save a life :p

Sorry if I'm sounding like a know it all, but this is ultimately what the bare logic comes down to. That's the beauty of Torah and G-d and shabbat. It's understanding is concealed. It is a Jews duty to reveal it.
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Levite

Higher and Higher
I remember someone mentioning locks as being prohibited on Shabbat. As for the hot food thing it was based on my travels to Israel, were in some places they do not serve hot food on Saturday/Shabbat.

Also, what do you exactly mean when you mention "traditional aspects"?

I haven't seen the no hot food thing before, so I'll take your word. But there is definitely no halakhic reason for it.

When I say a "traditional" Shabbat, I mean Shabbat observance that I would classify as falling under a Conservadox (right-wing Conservative/left wing Modern Orthodox) or Orthodox set of understandings concerning both what is and is not halakhically permitted to do on Shabbat, and also what activities are formally or informally customary to do on Shabbat.
 
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