My sister got saved last night

[URAVIP2ME]

To me how does the law of love, or the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) , Not help_____________
Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35 shows we are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor MORE than self, MORE than the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18.
If everyone on Earth lived by that Christ-like self-sacrificing love how could it Not help ___________

Many do. But not in the name of Christ and certainly not from the bible. Self sacrifice isn't only in the bible.[/QUOTE]

Right, self-sacrifice is Not confined to the Bible, but the self-sacrificing love the Bible speaks about is unique to the Bible.
John 3:16 is about a Father' self-sacrificing love to send His Son to Earth for us.
Suppose you are in a foreign country and you get accused of a crime you did Not commit.
A crime so serious that you are sentenced to death.
While on death row the king of the country lets you go, and in your place has his own son beheaded instead of you.
This the the extreme length the God of the Bible went to to have His Son die in our place for us.
Because we sin we die. We can't resurrect oneself or another, No matter how self-sacrificing our love is.
So, we need someone who can resurrect us, Jesus is the one who can and will resurrect us - Revelation 1:18.
So, by sinless Jesus dying in our place makes this resurrection possible.

 

[Samael_Khan]

To me what also acts as 'proof from God' besides 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Luke 21:11 is what Jesus said would be done at the same time as mentioned at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
In connection to all that is happening on an international scale is also coupled with the declaring about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 on a world-wide scale.
This proclaiming about God's kingdom government is now a direct link being done on a grand scope as never before in history.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation so people even in remote areas of Earth now have Scripture in their own mother tongue, their own native languages. This includes audio and video.

Yes, MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, to MAN's injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9
So,this includes those in power over others controlling this unrighteous world. ( this includes corrupted political, religious and business power )
When Pres. Johnson was Senator he said 'who ever has the ultimate position has the ultimate power', (thus the space race as part of great signs in the heavens, plus including the 'governmental heavens' lording it over mankind in general ).
However, corrupted mankind ( some who think they shine bright like *stars* ) they ignore that the God of the Bible has that ultimate position.

Theinternational telling about God's kingdom is now in its ' final phase '.
So, this means we are nearing the ' final signal ' as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security...." this will prove to the the precursor of the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
So, to me this is Not vague but comprehensive that the God of the Bible will soon have Jesus take action - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

I don't really have a motivation to argue these points as you started off by saying "to me" and I don't have a problem with people having their own opinions and recognising it as such.

Regarding the direct link: my viewpoint would be that there is preaching being linked to an ancient scripture, but I don't see the link as relevent, as other groups, like the 7th day adventists, also preach about Daniel 2:44.

Regarding the signs of heaven I had an interesting conversation with MJFlores about the signs. It was presented that the the great sign in heaven is a reference to the day that the sun was actually darkened, as it was a dark day, which is New England's Dark Day which occurred on May 19, 1780.

To me this stuff does seem vague and ambiguous or too normal because there are many different interpretations out there, like with what "great signs in the heavens" means, and some of these points are just not exceptional.

Someone preaching and speaking about Daniel 2:44 has been done already.
Bible translation is an exceptional point, as others haven't done it on such a scale, but that is not a fulfillment of prophecy.
Ecclesiastes is a general statement about the world which was even true in the writers day, as he was writing from observation.
The great signs in the heavens is a vague statement at which a person can connect any "heavenly" event to and interpret it in various way depending on what they wish to emphasise.

The last days point is also controversial. According to Peter, the last days was in effect from the time they received the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:14 - 39), so the obvious reading would be that the Book of Acts says that the last days already started back then, which would mean that people are still waiting 2000 years later. Will the final signal ever come or were they talking about stuff that would never happen? (rhetorical question).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is why the good news about God's kingdom ( Daniel 2:44 ) is now declared internationally as Jesus said it would at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
So, how a person responds once they come in contact with that news shows one's heart condition.

Shrugs. Everyone sees things differently. No good or bad unless one wants to see it that way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Many do. But not in the name of Christ and certainly not from the bible. Self sacrifice isn't only in the bible.

Right, self-sacrifice is Not confined to the Bible, but the self-sacrificing love the Bible speaks about is unique to the Bible.
John 3:16 is about a Father' self-sacrificing love to send His Son to Earth for us.
Suppose you are in a foreign country and you get accused of a crime you did Not commit.
A crime so serious that you are sentenced to death.
While on death row the king of the country lets you go, and in your place has his own son beheaded instead of you.
This the the extreme length the God of the Bible went to to have His Son die in our place for us.
Because we sin we die. We can't resurrect oneself or another, No matter how self-sacrificing our love is.
So, we need someone who can resurrect us, Jesus is the one who can and will resurrect us - Revelation 1:18.
So, by sinless Jesus dying in our place makes this resurrection possible.[/QUOTE]

Ok. Letting you know the Bible verses aren't helping. If you need to post verses, seperate them from your comments so I know what You're trying to say.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Regarding the direct link: my viewpoint would be that there is preaching being linked to an ancient scripture, but I don't see the link as relevent, as other groups, like the 7th day adventists, also preach about Daniel 2:44.

I would think many groups have thoughts about Daniel 2:44.
The people who lived in the 1700's could Not be the ' generation ' of our day or time frame.
They were Not living at the ' time of the statue's toes' of Daniel 2:41-42, but we are. More like we are now living at the ' time of the toenails '' !
The political system, the coalition of nations, that the statue stands for was Not on its last legs on the way to collapse in the 1700's, but it is now.
Plus, what about Daniel chapter 4 _________ The prophetic pattern there had an initial or minor fulfillment with Nebuchadnezzar ( 7 times or 7 literal years ).
The greater or larger fulfillment started with Jerusalem's destruction in 607 BC (BCE) and 2,500 years would need to pass to fulfill Luke 21:24.
So, No way is there any connection to the 1700's, plus, the international declaring about God's kingdom was Not accomplished in the 1700's.
Jesus said the good news message of God's Kingdom would have to first be accomplished on a grand global scale at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Modern technology has helped make that possible today, but Not so in the 1700's.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Shrugs. Everyone sees things differently. No good or bad unless one wants to see it that way.

Yes, people see things differently. Some people have No thirst for spiritual matters. Some are dried up spiritually.
So, to me we should see things as to the way Jesus taught as to what is good or what is right such taught to worship the God of Jesus with spirit and truth - John 4:23-24.
We do Not do the coming separating work but Jesus does - Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Right now we should do the seeking, the knocking, so spiritual doors will be opened to us.

Because of eye-sight trouble perhaps 'listening' to Bible verses might help.
I hope you keep Isaiah's words in mind that the day is coming when the Blind will see - Isaiah 35:5

 

[Samael_Khan]

I would think many groups have thoughts about Daniel 2:44.
The people who lived in the 1700's could Not be the ' generation ' of our day or time frame.
They were Not living at the ' time of the statue's toes' of Daniel 2:41-42, but we are. More like we are now living at the ' time of the toenails '' !
The political system, the coalition of nations, that the statue stands for was Not on its last legs on the way to collapse in the 1700's, but it is now.
Plus, what about Daniel chapter 4 _________ The prophetic pattern there had an initial or minor fulfillment with Nebuchadnezzar ( 7 times or 7 literal years ).
The greater or larger fulfillment started with Jerusalem's destruction in 607 BC (BCE) and 2,500 years would need to pass to fulfill Luke 21:24.
So, No way is there any connection to the 1700's, plus, the international declaring about God's kingdom was Not accomplished in the 1700's.
Jesus said the good news message of God's Kingdom would have to first be accomplished on a grand global scale at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Modern technology has helped make that possible today, but Not so in the 1700's.

The "generation" itself is tricky to define.

You seem to be trying to harmonise scriptures rather than to think that the writer of Matthew and the writer of Daniel had two different ideas that did not coincide with each other. Which is fine. But not the only option.

Using the writers' words alone one can figure what their idea was about the end. I don't see how Peter's quote could have a dual fulfillment because then one has to answer what Peter meant by "The Last Days".

Certainly it can only apply to a group today if they perform miracles and prophecy as well if it is a dual fulfilment.

Regarding the world, in it seems that Jesus was talking about the known world because Paul himself says that the good knews has been heard around the world.

I don't have a reason to think that they were talking about the Good News beings spread to the Americas and Australia and some other island nations like Japan and New Zealand.

 

[Shia Islam]

I was talking to my sister just awhile ago. She was telling me that everyone has this "click." That once people get life, they will understand everything. That was fine, then after she was talking more, she was more everyone is going to click to get god. The weird thing was, though, was that it was hard for her to see outside of this-that people's click isn't hers. Then she says, "I have the answers. I'm just planting the seed..." it spell bounded me.

She invited me to see her (we haven't met in awhile) and my mother together since we're so spread out. Then it dawned on me, she wanted us to meet so she can plant the seed, and "answer any questions we may have." I told her I didn't want to stay with her if I knew she was going to preach to me. (I think she said she was a preacher of some sort-I asked because of the language and tone) We're going to meet, but now I know the intent, I just feel it's inappropriate to stay with her (and my mother) knowing that my mother and I are not god believers.

Something about being saved just ignites people to spread the news. It's one thing to spread the good news. When I had a girlfriend, I spread the good news too. But it's another to convince people their good news is supposed to be yours. She mentioned people just don't get it.

I cannot imagine anyone going through a household where the good news is always being spread while saying, "its your choice" at the same time. She says that we all get it but we're saying it in different languages (religions and perspectives).

But what got me was she said she got all the answers. She said she was humble and that's how she got the answers.

I've always been flabbergasted over this type of thinking. Even on RF, people just. don't. get it.

One of the hardest thing in life is to see that our siblings, who were brought up together with us, and with whom we shared our parents, our relatives and our childhood, I say , one of the hardest thing in life is to see these close ones are going in one direction and we are going in another direction. It is like breaking one heart into two!

May God save us and save our close ones!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, people see things differently. Some people have No thirst for spiritual matters. Some are dried up spiritually.
So, to me we should see things as to the way Jesus taught as to what is good or what is right such taught to worship the God of Jesus with spirit and truth - John 4:23-24.
We do Not do the coming separating work but Jesus does - Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Right now we should do the seeking, the knocking, so spiritual doors will be opened to us.

Because of eye-sight trouble perhaps 'listening' to Bible verses might help.
I hope you keep Isaiah's words in mind that the day is coming when the Blind will see - Isaiah 35:5

I can't concur with your negative view of other people's relationship with their religion. I'm not even sure why any person would follow a religion of segregation.

Many say cause they are told. No one challenges the one who told them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

One of the hardest thing in life is to see that our siblings, who were brought up together with us, and with whom we shared our parents, our relatives and our childhood, I say , one of the hardest thing in life is to see these close ones are going in one direction and we are going in another direction. It is like breaking one heart into two!

May God save us and save our close ones!

Thank you. It is. I hope she'd see we're not under the same raimbow and we know nothing. That would probably strengthen her faith to say "we are not the same."

Does islam see non-believers as being pulled by God, rejected good intentionally, or indifferent to their present and future spiritual state?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The "generation" itself is tricky to define.
You seem to be trying to harmonise scriptures rather than to think that the writer of Matthew and the writer of Daniel had two different ideas that did not coincide with each other. Which is fine. But not the only option.
Using the writers' words alone one can figure what their idea was about the end. I don't see how Peter's quote could have a dual fulfillment because then one has to answer what Peter meant by "The Last Days".
Certainly it can only apply to a group today if they perform miracles and prophecy as well if it is a dual fulfilment.
Regarding the world, in it seems that Jesus was talking about the known world because Paul himself says that the good knews has been heard around the world.
I don't have a reason to think that they were talking about the Good News beings spread to the Americas and Australia and some other island nations like Japan and New Zealand.

I am wondering if you think of Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 as being international in scope ____________ ( nations)
To me the global preaching work is coupled together with these last days of badness on Earth as described in 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
2nd Timothy 3 was Not fufilled in the 1700's.

Yes, people have different concepts about the word ' generation '. Some people think about a generation could overlap with the previous.
To me the ' generation ' of people alive on Earth at this ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is the generation of living people, including those alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as described at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

Jesus put emphasis on ' thy kingdom come.....', the book of Daniel also emphasised a lot about God's kingdom, God's government. - Daniel 7:13-18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

One of the hardest thing in life is to see that our siblings, who were brought up together with us, and with whom we shared our parents, our relatives and our childhood, I say , one of the hardest thing in life is to see these close ones are going in one direction and we are going in another direction. It is like breaking one heart into two! May God save us and save our close ones!

Your ^ above ^ post reminds me that God is Not only Creator but also Heavenly Father.
As Heavenly Father, how hard it must have been for God seeing His close angelic children going in one direction and others going in another direction.
Pre-human Jesus and Satan were ' brothers ' (siblings) both going in different directions.
This is why there is a first prophecy recorded for us to read at Genesis 3:15.
That promised ' seed ' (Offspring) proved to be Christ Jesus.
Through sinless Christ's faithful death then God will save, save repentant ones as mentioned at 2 Peter 3:9.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I can't concur with your negative view of other people's relationship with their religion. I'm not even sure why any person would follow a religion of segregation..........

Because of father Abraham is why God chose that Messiah would come through ancient Israel - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18.
Messiah opened up the way for ALL Jews, Samartians, and Gentile people of the nations to ALL become part of the ALL families that will be blessed, and become part of ALL nations that will be blessed. Blessed with the ' healing ' benefit for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.
This is why we are ALL invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
None of this is negative to me but the bright opportunity to agree with what Jesus did and taught and will do.
Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Because of father Abraham is why God chose that Messiah would come through ancient Israel - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18.
Messiah opened up the way for ALL Jews, Samartians, and Gentile people of the nations to ALL become part of the ALL families that will be blessed, and become part of ALL nations that will be blessed. Blessed with the ' healing ' benefit for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.
This is why we are ALL invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
None of this is negative to me but the bright opportunity to agree with what Jesus did and taught and will do.
Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

It's negative no matter how you spin it, though. Black and white thinking is in itself a negative view. Good/Evil. Saved/sinner. So forth. Many believers can't see it because they are on the far end of the light; it blinds them. It's somewhat counterproductive to humbleness but no amount of scripture can really change the negativity of segregation.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I am wondering if you think of Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 as being international in scope ____________ ( nations)
To me the global preaching work is coupled together with these last days of badness on Earth as described in 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
2nd Timothy 3 was Not fufilled in the 1700's.

Yes, people have different concepts about the word ' generation '. Some people think about a generation could overlap with the previous.
To me the ' generation ' of people alive on Earth at this ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is the generation of living people, including those alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as described at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

Jesus put emphasis on ' thy kingdom come.....', the book of Daniel also emphasised a lot about God's kingdom, God's government. - Daniel 7:13-18

2 Timothy 3 is another vague verse as one can apply those attributes to any time over the past 2000 years, because they are general traits of people, and they can especially be applied to what we know of about the Greeks and Romans.

I actually think that "this generation" wouldn't apply to the modern period if the book is speaking about future days. In Jesus time the generation didn't pass away before the 2nd temple was destroyed.

Yes, Jesus did associate himself with the Son of Man in Daniel and the Kingdom mentioned there. But from what I can tell he was thinking that the end would come within the lifetime of his disciples.

 

[Shia Islam]

Thank you. It is. I hope she'd see we're not under the same raimbow and we know nothing. That would probably strengthen her faith to say "we are not the same."

Does islam see non-believers as being pulled by God, rejected good intentionally, or indifferent to their present and future spiritual state?

In Islam , and I am talking about Shia Islam specifically, God is all merciful.

His mercy encompasses all his creatures.

Don’t you see how a nonbeliever mother is merciful toward her nonbeliever-to-be child.

Her mercy came from God, who feeds all, the believers, and the non-believers alike.

Then, in Shia Islam we believe that Humans have their own well. They can choose for themselves.

Those who rejected God and became non-believers are of two types:

First, those who rejected God, while in their inner selves they know that God exists and intentionally revolted against him. Unfortunately, these people are guiding themselves to the ultimate loss, and to be clearer, they are guiding themselves to be abiding forever in Hellfire. Is that non equal reprisal? This is another question that has been answered by Muslim, as well as some none Muslim scholars.

Then there are those who are non-believers, because they are unable to understand the proofs of God, due to whatever reason.

The destiny of these people will be decided after their death and their resurrection, where they will be tested.

May God save us and guide our brothers in humanity to the truth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In Islam , and I am talking about Shia Islam specifically, God is all merciful.

His mercy encompasses all his creatures.

Don’t you see how a nonbeliever mother is merciful toward her nonbeliever-to-be child.

Her mercy came from God, who feeds all, the believers, and the non-believers alike.

Then, in Shia Islam we believe that Humans have their own well. They can choose for themselves.

Those who rejected God and became non-believers are of two types:

First, those who rejected God, while in their inner selves they know that God exists and intentionally revolted against him. Unfortunately, these people are guiding themselves to the ultimate loss, and to be clearer, they are guiding themselves to be abiding forever in Hellfire. Is that non equal reprisal? This is another question that has been answered by Muslim, as well as some none Muslim scholars.

Then there are those who are non-believers, because they are unable to understand the proofs of God, due to whatever reason.

The destiny of these people will be decided after their death and their resurrection, where they will be tested.

May God save us and guide our brothers in humanity to the truth.

Hmm. Interesting. Thank you. I learned something new.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, Jesus did associate himself with the Son of Man in Daniel and the Kingdom mentioned there. But from what I can tell he was thinking that the end would come within the lifetime of his disciples.

I find God's Kingdom mentioned at Daniel 2:44; Daniel 7:18 is associated with Jesus' words at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.

While on Earth Jesus informed his disciple the ' end ' would Not be in their lifetime as mentioned at Luke 19:11-15.
Also, gospel writer John wrote at the very end of the first century, so John's writings don't apply to the first century.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Then there are those who are non-believers, because they are unable to understand the proofs of God, due to whatever reason.
The destiny of these people will be decided after their death and their resurrection, where they will be tested.
May God save us and guide our brothers in humanity to the truth.

Many people speak about ' decided after death...' but what about the believing and non-believing living people __________
In the Bible it speaks of a coming time of judgement, a time of separation coming on Earth among the 'living' people. - Matthew 25:31-33
At this coming time of separating the destiny of those figurative humble sheep and haughty goats will take place.
The living humble sheep-like people will be the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11.
The living haughty goat-like people are classed with the wicked who will be ''destroyed forever'' as per Psalms 92:7; Psalms 145:20.

 

[Shia Islam]

Many people speak about ' decided after death...' but what about the believing and non-believing living people __________
In the Bible it speaks of a coming time of judgement, a time of separation coming on Earth among the 'living' people. - Matthew 25:31-33
At this coming time of separating the destiny of those figurative humble sheep and haughty goats will take place.
The living humble sheep-like people will be the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11.
The living haughty goat-like people are classed with the wicked who will be ''destroyed forever'' as per Psalms 92:7; Psalms 145:20.

Islam teaches very similar things regarding these matters. Interestingly, you Quoted Psalms and the Quran itself said in one verse what is written on Psalms regarding this topic. Just notice how the same words are used!

"Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth." Quran 21vs105