My thoughts about the Abrahamic God

[Unveiled Artist]

Spoiler: Disclaimer

1. These are generalized sponteneous thoughts that some people "may or may not" share. It is not personal. It does NOT mirror or assume to know what other people believe and disbelieve. It is not a metaphor. Please dont read into it more than what is written.

2. It is not meant to be take as an offense.

3. I do not believe everything I posted. I wrote it in first person for emphasis only Not my personal opinion.

4. It is intended to be in first person. Please dont change tenses unless it is not changing the path of the post.

5. This is a long post. If you skip to the questions at the bottom you will miss the point. The questions can be misinterpreted without proper rather than bias oriented answers. If you have the time, please read the full post. If not, I understand.

6. Please be respectful. I cannot repost and rephrase my points because I forget after awhile.

7. You dont need to answer all questions. I want to know "if you understand" NOT "Whether it is right or wrong.

I not only don't believe in God, He does not exist.

It is written and claimed that He killed millions of people for His chosen to take over the land. He told His follower, Abram, to kill His own child. He killed hundreds in Saddom and turned Abram's wife into a pile of salt for looking back. He is going to punish those who have not heard of Him.

Those who reject will not be forgiven. Millions of children die as He allows. (Retorical questions): Why would I worship such a entity. Why would I care about His "love". Theist shove their beliefs down my throat. They tell me I should believe in this entity or I will burn in fire or spend a lifetime in purgatory.

I have good reason to be angry! God does not love anyone not even me only people who obey Him. If I could, I would convince theists that what they do is harming others. I will give them testimony that indoctrination can be harmful when one believes he is sin before he even does anything "bad". I will proove God does not exist.

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But wait!!! Everything I said above (about God not the theists) is nonesense. They are only claims! They do nothing. A claim does not harm children. A claim doesnt burn people for disbelief. A claim does not let me sit in purgatory until I am forgiven. A claim did not die for my sins. It is written. It is stated. It is fake. Fake claims do nothing.​

Now, I know I am angry at a claim. I am so angry that I must debate with theist to show them the truth! The claim exist even without the theist. Its written by people years ago. It is written "in God we trust". Its a psychological game to get me to follow God. So its not just the theist. I must have some beef with their claim.

Q: Who should be angry with? The claim/God or theist?

Q: Should I honestly care if God exists or not or am I more concerned with how theist push their beliefs on me?

Q: Am " I " (not you, not anyone else reading this or not) gaining anything from talking about this claim? OR are my conversations fueled with anger with the idea of God?

Q: Its a mask for how I feel about theist pushing their beliefs on me NOT about the claim?
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Not everyone is angry at God: but, " I " am (in this post). Yet, my anger is unwarrented because God does not exist. In reality, it would seem " I " am angry at theists claims. It affects ME deeply.

It makes no sense to be angry at a fake claim. If NO theist exist, holy scriptures will still exist stating the horrible actions this written God commited.​

Q: IF there were no theists, does it make sense for me to be angry at God? Does it make sense that I NEED to know if there is evidence for His existence? If NO theist exist, I only have holy scriptures. Do I have reason to put down scriptures based on what God did in them?

Remember,

1. IF no theist exists.

2. This is not a metaphor that generalize non theists as if they believe what I wrote. It is intentionally written in first person for emphasis only Not my personal opinion.

3. Please read the disclaimer

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not sure I understand the question. If you are not interested in God, in any religious sense, then why concern yourself?

I think I missed what you were trying to communicate.

 

[savagewind]

Hm. Interesting. You always are.

I think it is SO cute when two people post at the same time. My post was to the OP and not to disciple. OK?

 

[savagewind]

I have to say um I am sorry disciple it wasn't to say you aren't interesting because you are.

 

[savagewind]

The killed people in the Bible chose it. God did not chose it.

 

[savagewind]

I think we all know a train can not stop fast.

On the train are organs for transplant for the train owner's daughter or wife maybe. We'll go with the wife I think.

The train must be at the next station in time. But there are people on the track. They are just standing there dumbly.

Should the conductor risk all for those stupid people? No! I do not think so.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is clearly a case of 'Emperor's new clothes', whether in Christianity or in Islam. All people must get their noses chopped off, otherwise they will see that the Emperor is naked. Those who do not want their noses chopped off are not tolerated.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm not sure I understand the question. If you are not interested in God, in any religious sense, then why concern yourself?

I think I missed what you were trying to communicate.

I have to many questions to rephrase. I dont concern myself. I dont believe in a lot of what I posted. Says in the disclaimer. I dont know how to shorten it withiut cuting the internal dialogue. Then the questions are useless.

POINT: Not everyone is angry at God: but, " I " am (in this post). Yet, my anger is unwarrented because God does not exist. In reality, it would seem " I " am angry at theists claims. It affects ME deeply"

Im angry at the theist who made the claim not the claim itself. Theist have killed many people. God has not.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The killed people in the Bible chose it. God did not chose it.

He did. Its not all bad. The isrealites needed new land and God wanted them to kill everyone in each land so that the Isrealites can claim it. Some levites stayed on their land but was not treated the same as the isrealites. They gave up their "citizenship" to safe themselvesm Cant remember which chapter in which book. I read it three years ago

 

[FTNZ]

I'm not angry at anyone. I am angry at behaviours like Josh Duggar raping his young sisters and getting away with it because he and his parents have no working moral compass. They use their belief in their god to excuse terrible behaviour. This case is one of many reasons I am an anti-theist.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Note: I dont believe most of what I wrote in my OP. I used the first tense for emphasis not my personal opinion.

 

[Satsujin]

I believe God both exists and does not exist. If God is infinite, then he is everything and nothing at the same time. He has a dark side and a good side. I once had what felt like a spiritual experience where God was explained as a Oneness that split its infinite opposing parts into a duality, but since infinite cannot be split One became two which became 1+2 so Three and the Three became Many. The Infinite part is just a Witness. I don't believe God judges us or even cares whether we believe in him. I also don't believe the finite duality of the God which is associated with this world is omniscient since the future does not exist except as a possibility.

 

[DawudTalut]

.......It is written and claimed that He killed millions of people for His chosen to take over the land. He told His follower, Abram, to kill His own child. He killed hundreds in Saddom and turned Abram's wife into a pile of salt for looking back. He is going to punish those who have not heard of Him.

Those who reject will not be forgiven. Millions of children die as He allows. (Retorical questions): Why would I worship such a entity. Why would I care about His "love". Theist shove their beliefs down my throat. They tell me I should believe in this entity or I will burn in fire or spend a lifetime in purgatory.

I have good reason to be angry! God does not love anyone not even me only people who obey Him. If I could, I would convince theists that what they do is harming others. I will give them testimony that indoctrination can be harmful when one believes he is sin before he even does anything "bad". I will proove God does not exist.............

Peace be on all.
If one may pass through the Disclaimer claim calmly:
These points are misunderstandings by someone and they have been answered in Holy Quran, [Five Volume Commentary of Holy Quran, alislam.org]

 

[arthra]

Carlita wrote:

"It is written and claimed that He killed millions of people for His chosen to take over the land. He told His follower, Abram, to kill His own child. He killed hundreds in Saddom and turned Abram's wife into a pile of salt for looking back. He is going to punish those who have not heard of Him."

What you've written may be a general summary of your thoughts on the subject..

Most of what you're citing are ancient stories that were passed down usually with a moral lesson involved.

(1) You omit to provide the context of these "lessons". It was Lot's wife that was turned into a pillar of salt... not Abraham's wife.

(2) You also may be overlooking the violent character of the tribal culture that was a shared experience in that era.

 

[wizanda]

Q: Who should be angry with? The claim/God or theist?

Since we can't be sure that it is even the same god throughout the Bible, and isn't just the claims of men; then be angry with the lack of awareness.

Q: Should I honestly care if God exists or not or am I more concerned with how theist push their beliefs on me?

When you see people going the wrong way, there is a frustration that grows from wanting to help them....Unfortunately only they can choose to become aware of it.

Q: Am " I " (not you, not anyone else reading this or not) gaining anything from talking about this claim? OR are my conversations fueled with anger with the idea of God?

Everything is for a reason; especially if we choose to learn from it.

Q: Its a mask for how I feel about theist pushing their beliefs on me NOT about the claim?

Being force fed bad food, causes people to throw it back up later.

Q: IF there were no theists, does it make sense for me to be angry at God? Does it make sense that I NEED to know if there is evidence for His existence? If NO theist exist, I only have holy scriptures. Do I have reason to put down scriptures based on what God did in them?

Being angry at the God would be a silly concept, as it would be an under estimation of what it is.
Being angry at being lied to, and manipulated into accepting something that clearly doesn't match the qualities of the divine, is understandable.
There is evidence for God's existence everywhere you look, even within the evil Book; which is part of the beauty of it, that within the dirt, there is a gem in the middle of it.
Why would you perceive to find evidence for God, in what is written by man.
After understanding why the Bible is the way it is, and what it has set out to achieve; after comprehension, what use is there in keep carrying it and spouting it...It is those that don't understand it, that still carry an evil book around like it is a godsend.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The questions? Or the internal dialogue? If its the former, do you have examples?

Peace be on all.
If one may pass through the Disclaimer claim calmly:
These points are misunderstandings by someone and they have been answered in Holy Quran, [Five Volume Commentary of Holy Quran, alislam.org]

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you.

When you see people going the wrong way, there is a frustration that grows from wanting to help them....Unfortunately only they can choose to become aware of it

True. That is a good reason to be angry and want to talk about it. If theist werent cause a problem, Im sure their claim woulnt be much "needed" interest but to maybe learn from each other, study, and other non knowedge gathering tasks.

Being force fed bad food, causes people to throw it back up later

I was thinking it was the claim making them sick so thats why they throw up the fooe when they are fed it.....rather than the food is not good or bad but they dont want it to be forced down their throught. Does that make sense?

Being angry at the God would be a silly concept, as it would be an under estimation of what it is

Yes. My point well said.

 

[wizanda]

You're welcome!

I was thinking it was the claim making them sick so thats why they throw up the fooe when they are fed it.....rather than the food is not good or bad but they dont want it to be forced down their throught. Does that make sense?

It makes sense to me, yet....

Many don't notice as they're fed it, thus the food is made to taste Ok....Thus they don't throw it up straight away...

If the food is bad, it repeats on you... It can make you ill for ages after.... It can desensitize you to the things within it.

So clearly with examination, we find the food is rotten to the core...The very grapes that were used were sour to begin with.

The being force fed makes people regurgitate it for years after.... Just spend time in Atheist chat-rooms, and find out how many were raised in a Christian upbringing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Atheist chat...Lol so True. (Which actually answers the question to my other long winded thread on illogical and logical topic. I must have threw threw the wrong curve ball)

Anyhow, yeah. I havnt had too much experience with rotten food. Maybe because I wasnt indoctrinated into it. So, I see it as it is and left in peaceful disagreement. I do see why and how the food can be rotten especially if the wrong chef prepares it.

Good analogy by the away.

You're welcome!

It makes sense to me, yet....

Many don't notice as they're fed it, thus the food is made to taste Ok....Thus they don't throw it up straight away...

If the food is bad, it repeats on you... It can make you ill for ages after.... It can desensitize you to the things within it.

So clearly with examination, we find the food is rotten to the core...The very grapes that were used were sour to begin with.

The being force fed makes people regurgitate it for years after.... Just spend time in Atheist chat-rooms, and find out how many were raised in a Christian upbringing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

True. The context is very important. I was influence all my life (off line too) to take these stories very literally. They do have a lot of moral lessons. If I saw them as "only" that, the Bible isn't as bad as it appears from the outside.

Carlita wrote:

"It is written and claimed that He killed millions of people for His chosen to take over the land. He told His follower, Abram, to kill His own child. He killed hundreds in Saddom and turned Abram's wife into a pile of salt for looking back. He is going to punish those who have not heard of Him."

What you've written may be a general summary of your thoughts on the subject..

Most of what you're citing are ancient stories that were passed down usually with a moral lesson involved.

(1) You omit to provide the context of these "lessons". It was Lot's wife that was turned into a pillar of salt... not Abraham's wife.

(2) You also may be overlooking the violent character of the tribal culture that was a shared experience in that era.

Tribes had a violent charactor, true. I believe in laws of cause and effect not punishment especially death. If I hurt my sibling, I dont expect my mother to kill me. The morality in some of the stories are unbalanced by their bad karmaic actions. Then again, God is not karma.