The understanding of one God is not a polytheistic belief. Obviously you have no understanding of the Trinity.
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My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God
- Thread starter Niatero
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It's sad that you so misinterpret what the Bible clearly says. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of the ONE GOD. You constantly post valueless statements about things about which you clearly have no understanding. Don't you realize how you appear to those of us who know the truth?
Understanding in this case is the specific plain reading of the text cited.
As Hebrews 10:12-13 notes, “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.” Because Jesus reigns along with God the Father Almighty who created and rules over the world,
I cite specific scripture that needs no other interpretation other than plain reading of the text.
The gospel accounts are filled with the Pharisees (the academics of their day) trying to catch Jesus in some error. They, like you, lacked understanding of the Scriptures because they relied on their intellects and traditions rather than on God.
Taking two verses from an epistle which you don't understand is sad. If God gave you understanding, you would accept Hebrews 11:1 (which I have quoted to you over and over): "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
Here is a more complete rendering of the section you're partially quoting...
And every priest stands day after day at his service, offering again and again the same sacrifices that can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “he sat down at the right hand of God,” and since then has been waiting “until his enemies would be made a footstool for his feet.” For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds,”
and he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:11-18
=> Notice the mention of the Trinity <=
Those who incorrectly interpret the Bible (such as yourself) rely on versification, which often distorts the text.
It is nonsense for you to try to explain the Bible to me (or any other Christian who has been born of the Spirit). Until you surrender and ask God for salvation, you will never understand Scripture.
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The next section of Hebrews10, verses 19-25, is worth reading (even without your understanding it)...
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain (that is, through his flesh), and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us approach with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast to the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who has promised is faithful. And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching."
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I strongly advise you to give up your academic approach to understanding Scripture, the tripartite God, and other matters of faith until God gives you understanding. (It is obvious that, to date, He hasn't done this.)
Matthew 7:7, “Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you."
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
The Bible does not say nor insinuate that there is a trinity of ‘persons(??)’ who are manifestations of ONE GOD.
In fact, it does not make any sense Jesus is SEPARATELY at least envisioned AT the SAME TIME as the Spirit of God… ‘The Spirit of God’ is never ‘SEEN’ because it is SPIRIT. You can feel or feel the effects but not SEE IT.
The Father is also SPIRIT, which CANNOT BE SEEN.
So the Spirit of God is NOT a manifestation of GOD… not a manifestation of GOD… it is the SPIRIT of God!!
At the baptism of Jesus, GOD SPEAKS FROM HEAVEN while JESUS, very much a Spirit manifested in flesh (a human Being!!) on earth, and THE SPIRIT OF GOD (wrongly monikered as ‘the Holy Spirit’ to make it easier to claim it is a person!!!) is envisioned as that of a light fluttering breeze reminiscent of that made by an alighting Dove… (There is no indication that the author was saying that the Spirit of God WAS A DOVE… it says, importantly, ‘LIKE / IN THE MANNER OF’ a Dove!!!
God (who is The Father) is not ‘seen’… but as a voice from the heavens (the sky) …therefore some said that an angel had spoken, others said it was thunder…
Jesus is clearly visible to onlookers.
The Spirit of God is ‘felt’ - it was like a light breeze…
What are we to understand:
- ‘No one has seen GOD AT ANY TIME, JESUS CHRIST, who is CLOSEST TO HIM…, HE HAS MADE GOD KNOWN’
So how can God not have been seen when you say Jesus is God but yet Jesus has been seen? Duh??!!
Who has never been seen at any time - The Father!!
Who has not been seen at any time - GOD!!
God is the Father - The Father, ALONE, is God!!
Is Jesus BOTH GOD …and… the SON of GOD??
His does that work?
It’s not like: ‘Jesus is Man, and the Son of Man’.
‘GOD’ is a SINGLE entity… THE TITLE of that one entity…
You cannot have ‘Jesus is GOD… and the Son of God’ without saying (which is in a thread in other places as well) that THEREFORE trinity is saying that ‘JESUS IS THE FATHER’!!!!
Of course you will deny that Jesus is the Father… and it is true that Jesus is not the Father…. BUT it is your (and TRINITY) ETYMOLOGY, your DEFINITION, your EXPRESSION IN IDEOLOGY… that makes that claim….
So, you either admit that your etymology, your definition, your expression of ideological fairy is INCORRECT… or you continue in your fallacy to your detriment - Your choice for an eternal life:
- ‘Father,…[THEIR] ETERNAL LIFE depends on believing in YOU, the ONLY TRUE GOD…’
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