My thoughts on the shooting of two terrorists in Garland, TX

[leibowde84]

No, I didn't say that they "WANTED" a violent outburst, nor was I even assuming that. That's why I compared it to Clint Eastwood's "Go ahead make my day," a line used in a scene where Dirty Harry had his gun pointed at an armed robber who had his gun pointed at an innocent woman. Obviously, Dirty Harry didn't want the woman in the scene to get shot, but he was making it clear that he wasn't going to back down, give in, or surrender no matter what.

They were prepared for it. That much is obvious, since they knew enough to post armed security and have cops standing by.

I don't know what kind of "counter-argument" one can expect to a cartoon depicting Muhammad.



I agree completely with what you're saying here. We have rights in this country, and people have a right to draw cartoons, criticize/satirize religion, burn flags, and many other things guaranteed by our Constitution. Anyone who lives in this country has to get used to the idea, however offensive it might seem.

But even then, one has to make allowances for practical reality. As a counter example, if a person dressed in a KKK costume went to Baltimore and jumped into the middle of the riots shouting the "N word," what do you think would happen to that person? Technically, he may have the "right" to do that, but I would still make the observation that it's probably a dumb thing to do.

Also, the security guard was unarmed.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Also ...No One Murdered Because Of This Image - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Therefore? That fact in no way makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous.

 

[leibowde84]

Therefore? That fact in no way makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous.

This is what Servant_of_the_One1 said:
"I wanna see such freedom of speech when itsabout jews."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This is what Servant_of_the_One1 said:
"I wanna see such freedom of speech when itsabout jews."

Thanks for sharing. Now, do you agree that none of this makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous?

 

[Aquitaine]

Therefore? That fact in no way makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous.

Perhaps, but it also highlights the fact that members of four other faiths didn't respond in violence to such a graphic sexual depiction of their respective prophets. Yet a mere bog-standard depiction of Muhammad? Totally different outcome.

Why do you think that is?

 

[Aquitaine]

I wanna see such freedom of speech when its about jews.

Another good example is the popular US show "South Park", which routinely has anti-semitism in it at the expense of one of the main characters - Kyle.

There's literally hundreds of South Park episodes, too.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps, but it also highlights the fact that members of four other faiths didn't respond in violence to such a graphic sexual depiction of their respective prophets. Yet a mere bog-standard depiction of Muhammad? Totally different outcome.

Why do you think that is?

Chicken soup?

 

[Aquitaine]

Chicken soup?

C'mon,you can do better than that - fancy giving me a proper answer?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

C'mon,you can do better than that - fancy giving me a proper answer?

Cultures that feel persistently disrespected and persecuted react violently to ridicule - even more so when they a fed a steady diet of anti-Western propaganda. The result can be barbaric, particularly on the part of the militant fringe of those who feel most marginalized, but this result is not endemic to Islam. So, for example, to the best of my knowledge the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the US reject such terrorism.

Note that CAIR reiterates:

“We condemn yesterday’s attack on an anti-Islam event in Garland, Texas, without reservation,” CAIR, America’s largest Muslim advocacy organization, said in a Monday press release. “We also reiterate our view that violence in response to anti-Islam programs like the one in Garland is more insulting to our faith than any cartoon, however defamatory. Bigoted speech can never be an excuse for violence.”

 

[Aquitaine]

Cultures that feel persistently disrespected and persecuted react violently to ridicule - even more so when they a fed a steady diet of anti-Western propaganda. The result can be barbaric, particularly on the part of the militant fringe of those who feel most marginalized, but this result is not endemic to Islam. So, for example, to the best of my knowledge the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the US reject such terrorism.

Note that CAIR reiterates:

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Do you think Islam is disproportionally disrespected and persecuted against in the West?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you think Islam is disproportionally disrespected and persecuted against in the West?

Yes, but I also think that yours is a remarkably thoughtless question. For a whole serious a reasons the Muslim communities tend to be less integrated and far more tied to their respective countries of origin. They are impacted not only by Islamophobia at home by also by such things as drone strikes abroad.

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes, but I also think that yours is a remarkably thoughtless question. For a whole serious a reasons the Muslim communities tend to be less integrated and far more tied to their respective countries of origin. They are impacted not only by Islamophobia at home by also by such things as drone strikes abroad.

So these attacks are the result of a minority fringe feeling disrespected and persecuted, and thus the depictions of Muhammad are only part of the reason for the violence?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So these attacks are the result of a minority fringe feeling disrespected and persecuted, and thus the depictions of Muhammad are only part of the reason for the violence?

'Catalyst" may be a better term.

 

[Aquitaine]

'Catalyst" may be a better term.

How come this doesn't seem to be a problem with members of almost every other major religion?

 

[leibowde84]

Thanks for sharing. Now, do you agree that none of this makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous?

Reprehensible, of course. Deplorable, absolutely. Only "cancerous" when idiots give people like him way more attention than they deserve. If someone didn't shoot up the showing, I'd be on your side. But when attempted murder is on the table, I don't care if it was a Hitler Youth celebration. Barbaric cold-blooded murder of unarmed civilians is so much worse that it over shades the showing, erasing it from importance and literally giving it streangth.

AND FOR GOODS REASON!!!!

We should forget the stupid whatever you wanna call it and focus all attention on those ready to commit atrocities with real physical harm involved.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, but I also think that yours is a remarkably thoughtless question. For a whole serious a reasons the Muslim communities tend to be less integrated and far more tied to their respective countries of origin. They are impacted not only by Islamophobia at home by also by such things as drone strikes abroad.

Why is it a "thoughtless question"?

 

[leibowde84]

Thanks for sharing. Now, do you agree that none of this makes Geller any less reprehensible and cancerous?

I think everyone has a responsibility to ignore satirical cartoons that they don't like or "offends them". There is no way to stop it and violence is unacceptable.

 

[leibowde84]

Cultures that feel persistently disrespected and persecuted react violently to ridicule - even more so when they a fed a steady diet of anti-Western propaganda. The result can be barbaric, particularly on the part of the militant fringe of those who feel most marginalized, but this result is not endemic to Islam. So, for example, to the best of my knowledge the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the US reject such terrorism.

Note that CAIR reiterates:

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I always am confused by this. Why shouldn't we judge all religions and their danger by all of the effects they have on the world? The reasonable Muslims should be taken into account, just as the extremists should. this seems to be the way that all religions are dealt with today.

To be honest though, the only religion I have seen cause people to murder unarmed civilians in cold blood over drawings would be Islam. Isn't that enough for scrutiny?

 

[ChristineES]

I always am confused by this. Why shouldn't we judge all religions and their danger by all of the effects they have on the world? The reasonable Muslims should be taken into account, just as the extremists should. this seems to be the way that all religions are dealt with today.

To be honest though, the only religion I have seen cause people to murder unarmed civilians in cold blood over drawings would be Islam. Isn't that enough for scrutiny?

Mostly because religions aren't the problem: People are. Since the Muslims that live in my area, and there are thousands of them, don't do any violence that I can see, then I can safely assume that it isn't the religion itself but a small percentage of them who give all the others a bad name.

 

[Smart_Guy]

They got what they wanted.
An all expenses paid trip to heaven and 72 virgins.

Don't wanna disappoint you, but they will be disappointed