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My threads against Calvinism

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angellous_evangellous

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Apostolic Fathers Against TULIP - This thread demonstrates how foreign TULIP is to Christianity. The fathers who were disciples of the apostles and writers of the New Testament are 100% against any teaching that later would be expressed as Calvinism. This thread also demonstrates that Calvinism didn't exist in Christianity in the time of the New Testament. It didn't exist before Calvin anyway, despite his affection for Augustine. For more on the Apostolic Fathers, see Gospel Citations and the Historical Jesus Before 200 CE

Being Called/Chosen in the NT - A thread against unconditional election.

The parable of the tares: an insight - an examination of God in Greco-Roman friendship. Another thread against unconditional election.

Ancient Concept of the 'Self' - a thread against unconditional election.

Grace in the New Testament - unconditional grace is foreign to Christianity.

Here are some reflections of God's grace in general that are mutually exclusive to Calvinism and based on Scripture.

Process Theology of the Cross

Christian responsibility to beg for mercy
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Wack!.... Smack!

What was that?

Angellous is on the attack!
 
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athanasius

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James Akin, Catholic apologist and Scholar for Catholic answers Catholic Answers: Catholic Apologetics, Catholic Evangelization, Catholic Teachings, Catholic Radio, Catholic Publishing, Catholic Truth
on his website list a possible "Thomistic" Tulip that Catholics may accept. His book "The salvation controversy" explains this in detail. But Here is the Catholic Thomistic tulip he gives on his site:

T = Total inability (to please God without special grace)

U = Unconditional election

L = Limited intent (for the atonement's efficacy)

I = Intrinsically efficacious grace (for salvation)

P = Perseverance of the elect (until the end of life).

This can seen at his website the "Nazareth Resource Library" at :

A Tiptoe Through TULIP


Also related to this is the false idea that one cannot loose his salvation or the elect of God is to always persevere until the end. Akin shows the many bible passages that show that we can fall from grace and loose our salvation and he makes a distinction between election to grace and election to glory. One does not always entail the other. Here is the mound of biblical evidence here:

Are All True Christians Predestined To Persevere? (debate)

Enjoy!
 
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angellous_evangellous

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athanasius said:
James Akin... answers...on his website list a possible "Thomistic" Tulip that Catholics may accept.
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That is just too cute... I'm so busy hurling rocks at Calvin to know if I'm supposed to oppose this. :eek:
 
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athanasius

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angellous_evangellous said:
That is just too cute... I'm so busy hurling rocks at Calvin to know if I'm supposed to oppose this. :eek:
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I guess you can. This is just one possibility for a Catholic to believe. A thomisitc understanding is different from Calvins as Akin list. There are several different understanding and theories of predestination in the Catholic Church that are allowed within certain measures. Akin does a good job in my opinion describing this in his book and public debates he has done with calvinist on this issue. But of coarse a Catholic is free to disagree as this is just one option that this scholar sees as a possiblilty.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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athanasius said:
I guess you can. This is just one possibility for a Catholic to believe. A thomisitc understanding is different from Calvins as Akin list. There are several different understanding and theories of predestination in the Catholic Church that are allowed within certain measures. Akin does a good job in my opinion describing this in his book and public debates he has done with calvinist on this issue. But of coarse a Catholic is free to disagree as this is just one option that this scholar sees as a possiblilty.
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Thanks for sharing.:D
 
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