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questfortruth

Well-Known Member

The matter is not Spirit. Spirit is Love. A thing is living if the Spirit
considers it as a living one. A thing is invisible if it cannot be directly
detected even by scientific detectors. There are reasons why the bodies
capable only of gravitational interaction cannot be directly detected even in
principle. For example, gravity is not a force in Einstein's worldview.
As a second example, Dark Matter was already detected by its gravity
and it was called "indirect detection". Hence, the future detection
of Dark Matter by its gravity can not be called "direct detection".

The matter is divided into four types.

Visible Living: roses, birds, dogs, living human bodies. Perhaps, Artificial Intelligence.

Visible Non-living: stones, water, air, sand, dead human bodies.

Invisible Non-living: Dark Matter, Dark Energy. "Dark matter [in astronomy
and cosmology, as well as in theoretical physics], is a form of matter that
is inaccessible to direct observation.'' Wikipedia 2021.

Invisible Living: angels, souls of people.

The evil spirits, evil deeds, and evil ones are outside of this
classification; they are present as a problem, but they are non-existent and
dead: the ``god is dead'' (Friedrich Nietzsche), referring to one of the gods.
He is like a zombie or a vampire. Knowledge of any human is what his god is
telling him. The evil god can say, for example, "you have come from monkeys;
god likes mass-murder; there is no god, but 2+2 is 4''. But the
God to follow is telling good, reasonable things: "God does exist; 2+2 is 4;
be loving and gentle to women.''
 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member

The matter is not Spirit. Spirit is Love. A thing is living if the Spirit
considers it as a living one. A thing is invisible if it cannot be directly
detected even by scientific detectors. There are reasons why the bodies
capable only by gravitational interaction cannot be directly detected even in
principle. For example, gravity is not a force in Einstein's worldview.
As a second example, Dark Matter was already detected by its gravity
and it was called "indirect detection". Hence, the future detection
of Dark Matter by its gravity can not be called "direct detection".

The matter is divided into four types.

Visible Living: roses, birds, dogs, living human bodies. Perhaps, Artificial Intelligence.

Visible Non-living: stones, water, air, sand, dead human bodies.

Invisible Non-living: Dark Matter, Dark Energy. "Dark matter [in astronomy
and cosmology, as well as in theoretical physics], is a form of matter that
\dots is inaccessible to direct observation.'' Wikipedia 2021.

Invisible Living: angels, souls of people.

The evil spirits, evil deeds, and evil ones are outside of this
classification; they are present as a problem, but they are non-existent and
dead: the ``god is dead'' (Friedrich Nietzsche), referring to one of the gods.
He is like a zombie or a vampire. Knowledge of any human is what his god is
telling him. The evil god can say, for example, "you have come from monkeys;
god likes mass-murder; there is no god, but 2+2 is 4''. But the
God to follow is telling good, reasonable things: "God does exist; 2+2 is 4;
be loving and gentle to women.''
Full of what?

Ciao

- viole
 

mangalavara

नमस्कार
Premium Member
The matter is divided into four types.

Visible Living: roses, birds, dogs, living human bodies. Perhaps, Artificial Intelligence.

Visible Non-living: stones, water, air, sand, dead human bodies.

Invisible Non-living: Dark Matter, Dark Energy. "Dark matter [in astronomy
and cosmology, as well as in theoretical physics], is a form of matter that
\dots is inaccessible to direct observation.'' Wikipedia 2021.

Invisible Living: angels, souls of people.

Like you, I believe that there are visible and invisible things that are made of matter. What I mean by 'matter' is primordial matter, which in Hindu philosophy is called Pradhāna. Thus, the material world, the spiritual world, animal bodies, and divine bodies, etc. are ultimately of one primordial substance. Where we differ is that I do not believe the soul is made of this primordial substance. In my worldview, the soul is pure consciousness and it may or may not be of the same substance as God (I'm not sure yet where I stand on this).

The evil spirits, evil deeds, and evil ones are outside of this
classification; they are present as a problem, but they are non-existent and
dead: the ``god is dead'' (Friedrich Nietzsche), referring to one of the gods.
He is like a zombie or a vampire.

If they are like a zombie or vampire, perhaps the best English term is not so much dead but undead? :)

Knowledge of any human is what his god is
telling him. The evil god can say, for example, "you have come from monkeys;
god likes mass-murder; there is no god, but 2+2 is 4''. But the
God to follow is telling good, reasonable things: "God does exist; 2+2 is 4;
be loving and gentle to women.''

This sounds like a form of divine illumination. Divine illumination is the epistemological view that our cognitive activities require divine assistance. I think your view could be called 'double divine illumination' or perhaps 'dualistic divine illumination' if the aforementioned epistemological view is one you agree with.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I think your view could be called 'double divine illumination' or perhaps 'dualistic divine illumination' if the aforementioned epistemological view is one you agree with.

The most people are serving two gods at the same time. But a few ones serve only one god. That is why the good people might murder someone time after time.


If they are like a zombie or vampire, perhaps the best English term is not so much dead but undead? :)

I am afraid to call him that, because we are not in a Hollywood film, the reality is much more strange: he is dead entirely, his name is Death (angel of Death), but he is active.

Where we differ is that .... (I'm not sure yet where I stand on this).

Because you are not sure, then we might not be different.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
Like you, I believe that there are visible and invisible things that are made of matter. What I mean by 'matter' is primordial matter, which in Hindu philosophy is called Pradhāna.
In the world of science, “primordial matter” in the world, “today”, referred to atoms that have been ionized, atoms missing some or all of their electrons, hence the matters exist in “plasma” state.

Plasma is a natural occurrence in space, particularly the stars, star-forming nebulas, etc.

Plasma also exist naturally on Earth, when the air itself, become ionized, producing electrostatic, and can caused lightning. Those lightning are plasma.

And you can artificially turn gas, liquid or solid matters into plasma.

But the primordial matters in the earlier or much younger universe, are still matters in plasma state, but matters that are particles smaller than atoms, such as the quark-gluon plasma, when the universe was denser and hotter than before the formation of atoms (Big Bang Nucleosynthesis).

It is only when the universe cool down considerably, that separate quarks from gluons, and cool enough for quarks to form into hadron particles (eg each proton and neutron are made of 3 quarks) during the Hadron Epoch.

The scientific explanations to primordial matters involved natural occurring events, whether before the stars, or in the universe in the last 13 billion years, or on earth itself.

Primordial matters don’t involve spiritual entities or supernatural phenomena.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I'm always fascinated by "primordial" stuff, plasma one says ? Before the void ?

With no container ?

Please go on......
 
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