Mysterious species buried their dead and carved symbols 100,000 years before humans

[Heyo]

You couldn't pay me to go in there.

I don't know if I'd have the resolve to lose 25 kg for it but I understand Dr. Berger.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's lots of doubt, but that's contested because some people believe it just must be true.

The doubt only exists among the ignorant or science deniers. I may need to remind you that there is no such thing as an honest and informed creationist.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Kayleigh interviews Dr. Lee Berger. Due to that format it is a bit slow, a high quality documentary could pack the content into 20 minutes but it is non-the-less interesting hearing the process and results of the dig from the horses mouth.

Wait...ancient human species who buried their dead, and now a scientific HORSE!!!

Mind blown...

 

[Aupmanyav]

What is mysterious about this? An extinct early Homo species among many. I think the Dinaledi threw their dead over the 'Dragon's back', in sorrow or in relief, just as we do it now. Wikipedia mentions respiratory infections, diarrhea and predators. At below 5ft. height and 40 kg weight, I think they had precarious existence. 9 childrens and 6 adults, child mortality quite high.
The researchers could have dug the floor of the 'superman's crawl' for easier entry. Perhaps it was larger during Dinaledi times and got filled up later in 300,000 years. Sloping bed of the cave would carry all detritus to 'superman's crawl'.

Homo naledi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting!

Here's what they were supposed to have looked like:
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And oddly, he looks like he just attended a funeral.

Damm. If I only looked that good!

 

[ChristineM]

Funny.

But, the cave we first found Naledi in is tiny in places. Check this cutaway.

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You couldn't pay me to go in there.

I'd go, i just love scrabbling in dark caves looking for artifacts

P.s. 'tiz one of the reasons we moved to France and that's how i found my avatar

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

There's lots of doubt, but that's contested because some people believe it just must be true.

You are just wrong. Have you really studied evolution? There is more evidence for evolution than for any other scientific theory we have. Hands down.

 

[shunyadragon]

There's lots of doubt, but that's contested because some people believe it just must be true.

Science?

 

[HonestJoe]

You couldn't pay me to go in there.

That's the intelligence that led to us outliving them, the key point being when someone said "Wouldn't this be easier if we just dug a little hole up here to put the body in?"

 

[ChristineM]

There's lots of doubt, but that's contested because some people believe it just must be true.

No there isn't any doubt, evolution is among the most evidenced subject there is.

There are several different and independent lines of scientific enquiry that show evolution including genetics (which cannot lie,), ongoing observation, the fossil record and several more that I can't be bothered listening because you'll just ignore them anyway

 

[Mock Turtle]

One advantage of being smaller when caving - I've squeezed through about 9 inches and possibly smaller - but it also lowers the numbers of rescuers likely to be able to help if one gets stuck. Which I did once in a vertical rift and where I slid down and got firmly trapped by my hips. A friend helped by getting a rope for my legs to purchase on so that I could ease myself out of the situation. Look how wonderful caving is:

 

[YoursTrue]

No there isn't any doubt, evolution is among the most evidenced subject there is.

There are several different and independent lines of scientific enquiry that show evolution including genetics (which cannot lie,), ongoing observation, the fossil record and several more that I can't be bothered listening because you'll just ignore them anyway

I disagree with the conclusions. And to show the diabolic process, what good is it doing? The oceans are getting more polluted, bombs are ready and waiting for more destruction, but then let's face it. Why worry since so many think evolution is really all there is and then what?

 

[YoursTrue]

That's the intelligence that led to us outliving them, the key point being when someone said "Wouldn't this be easier if we just dug a little hole up here to put the body in?"

There are so many things for intelligent people to do but they enjoy crawling in holes...

 

[YoursTrue]

I'd go, i just love scrabbling in dark caves looking for artifacts

P.s. 'tiz one of the reasons we moved to France and that's how i found my avatar

You need coffee in holes I guess. Not enough room there but maybe people can invent something so coffee lovers can take their coffee in these holes. That'll help mankind, hmm?

 

[YoursTrue]

Damm. If I only looked that good!

Sooo ridiculous. Better for some than sci fi movies, etc. Because it's supposed to be true!! How exciting for some I guess.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

We don't need anymore evidence for evolution, it is beyond doubt.

This is very interesting.

I agree with you on the need for more evidence. I wasn't thinking of additional evidence in support of the theory, though this does do that. I see it as more info to fill the gaps in what we know of our own evolution.

These are different, but related species that possessed skills and behaviors that are primitive versions of our own. Clearly, these abilities evolved before our species did and along with our own evolution.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I know. That is why most of the people that have recovered the bones have been women. They tend to be a bit smaller than men. The fit is very very tight.

There is a cave in the area where I grew up that I explored as a teen. It has a narrow passage that you have to crawl through and then it opens up into a very navigable cavern. Years later, in my 20's, I tried going in and couldn't get through. My shoulders were too wide by that point.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What is mysterious about this?

Journalist lingo to beef up the story.

An extinct early Homo species among many. I think the Dinaledi threw their dead over the 'Dragon's back', in sorrow or in relief, just as we do it now. Wikipedia mentions respiratory infections, diarrhea and predators. At below 5ft. height and 40 kg weight, I think they had precarious existence. 9 childrens and 6 adults, child mortality quite high.

I imagine life was pretty difficult during that period. Large predators and large predators.

The researchers could have dug the floor of the 'superman's crawl' for easier entry. Perhaps it was larger during Dinaledi times and got filled up later in 300,000 years. Sloping bed of the cave would carry all detritus to 'superman's crawl'.

Homo naledi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wondered about that too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What is mysterious about this? An extinct early Homo species among many. I think the Dinaledi threw their dead over the 'Dragon's back', in sorrow or in relief, just as we do it now. Wikipedia mentions respiratory infections, diarrhea and predators. At below 5ft. height and 40 kg weight, I think they had precarious existence. 9 childrens and 6 adults, child mortality quite high.
The researchers could have dug the floor of the 'superman's crawl' for easier entry. Perhaps it was larger during Dinaledi times and got filled up later in 300,000 years. Sloping bed of the cave would carry all detritus to 'superman's crawl'.

Homo naledi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose if it were death by predator, there would be no bodies to bury. Probably accident or disease.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What does burial of the dead imply for this species? Does it mean that they thought of a world beyond this one?