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Myths About the United States

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Written by Mark Weisbrot and reprinted from the Guardian Unlimited:

The Great Recession is allowing some widely held beliefs about the U.S. economy - which were the source of much evangelism over the last few decades - to run up against a reality check. This is to be expected, since the United States has been the epicenter of the storm of policy blunders that caused the world recession. This month my CEPR colleagues John Schmitt and Nathan Lane showed that the United States is not the nation of small businesses that it is regularly dressed up to be for electoral campaign speeches and editorials. If we look at what percentage of our overall labor force is self-employed, or what percentage of manufacturing workers or high-tech workers are employed in small businesses - well, the U.S. ranks at or near the bottom among high-income countries.

As economist Paul Krugman noted after reading the study, "one more American myth bites the dust." Indeed it has. And as both the authors of the paper and Krugman note, there is a plausible explanation for the United States' low score in the small business contest: our lack of national health insurance. There are enough risks associated with choosing to start a business over being an employee, but the Europeans don't have to worry that they will go bankrupt for lack of health insurance.

A number of other alleged advantages of America's "economic dynamism" are also mythical. Most people think that there is more economic mobility in America than in Europe. Guess again: we're also near the bottom of rich countries in this category, for example as measured by the percentage of low-income households that escape from this status each year. The idea that the United States is more "internationally competitive" has been without economic foundation for decades, as measured by the most obvious indicator: our trade deficit, which peaked at 6 percent of GDP in 2006. (It has fallen sharply from its peak during this recession but will rebound strongly when the economy recovers). And of course the idea that our less regulated, more "market-friendly," financial system was more innovative and efficient - widely held by our leading experts and policy-makers such as Alan Greenspan, until recently - collapsed along with our $8 trillion housing bubble.

On the other hand, most Americans pay a high price for the institutional arrangements that bring us these mythical successes. We have the dubious honor of being the only "no-vacation nation," i.e. no legally required paid time off and of course some weeks fewer actual days off per year than our European counterparts enjoy. We have a broken health care system that costs about twice as much per capita as that of our peer nations and delivers worse outcomes, as measured by life expectancy or infant mortality. We are near the top in terms of inequality among high-income countries; and at the bottom for parental leave policies and paid sick days. The list is a long one.


Rest of the article at the Guardian.

I bet our local conservatives are strangely silent about all this....
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Yeah, but we can always nuke any countries that are better than ours. Way to go!
 

tomspug

Absorbant
I'm out of my league here, but I would think that, in America, the largest setback to small businesses is hardly a health-insurance issue. I would think it would be competition from corporations...

Now I'm pretty young and don't make a lot of money, but I was able to afford private insurance right out of college. If, at any point, I was unable to afford health insurance it would be either a) I lost my job or b) I increased my spending above what I was currently capable of. Even when I had little to no experience, I have never been unemployed for more than a few months. Sure, it wasn't always my dream job, but I survived.

Concerning small businesses, I have ALWAYS looked at health-care through employment as a CONVENIENCE, and nothing more. In fact, whether or not small businesses offer health-insurance was a factor in my working where I am now. But if I could get paid better at a small-business, I would! My previous job WAS working at a small business... until I was laid off.

My point is, competition with large businesses is by far a larger concern for small businesses and health-care is one small issue in a pile of many others. Is this idea interesting? Yes. But it is hardly succinct or simple.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
Yeah, but we can always nuke any countries that are better than ours. Way to go!

Well, there's a reason why most educated and reasonably cultured Europeans generally consider Americans to be stupid; a nation of barely literate macho bullies and fast-food junkies deserves about a much respect as, well, its virulent Capitalism does (ie. none).

America is a country built on the threat of force and (now crumbling) myths, and was always destined to descend into tryanny, as is happening now. The only way the rest of the world can avoid being dragged down with is to sacrifice Capitalism on an apocalyptic altar of blood.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Well, there's a reason why most educated and reasonably cultured Europeans generally consider Americans to be stupid; a nation of barely literate macho bullies and fast-food junkies deserves about a much respect as, well, its virulent Capitalism does (ie. none).

Americans on the whole are no more stupid than other nations, Random. Although it's easy for most folk to think stupidity lies mainly outside their own borders, stupidity is a human trait -- not merely an American trait. European history certainly does not suggest that all the world's stupidity lies outside the borders of Europe.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm out of my league here, but I would think that, in America, the largest setback to small businesses is hardly a health-insurance issue. I would think it would be competition from corporations...

Now I'm pretty young and don't make a lot of money, but I was able to afford private insurance right out of college. If, at any point, I was unable to afford health insurance it would be either a) I lost my job or b) I increased my spending above what I was currently capable of. Even when I had little to no experience, I have never been unemployed for more than a few months. Sure, it wasn't always my dream job, but I survived.

Concerning small businesses, I have ALWAYS looked at health-care through employment as a CONVENIENCE, and nothing more. In fact, whether or not small businesses offer health-insurance was a factor in my working where I am now. But if I could get paid better at a small-business, I would! My previous job WAS working at a small business... until I was laid off.

My point is, competition with large businesses is by far a larger concern for small businesses and health-care is one small issue in a pile of many others. Is this idea interesting? Yes. But it is hardly succinct or simple.

My guess is you're in a minority, Tom.
 

tomspug

Absorbant
Well, there's a reason why most educated and reasonably cultured Europeans generally consider Americans to be stupid; a nation of barely literate macho bullies and fast-food junkies deserves about a much respect as, well, its virulent Capitalism does (ie. none).

America is a country built on the threat of force and (now crumbling) myths, and was always destined to descend into tryanny, as is happening now. The only way the rest of the world can avoid being dragged down with is to sacrifice Capitalism on an apocalyptic altar of blood.
In my experience, wisdom leads to peace, not war.

If those who have had their eyes opened to the evils of capitalism are so enlightened, maybe they would be above the act of name-calling and war-mongering.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
"Your guess"? What does that even imply, other than that my experience contradicts your assumptions?

To some extent, you can put it that way, Tom. But I would rather put it, my experience contradicts your experience, and your experience contradicts mine.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
Myths about the US
  1. The US was not created on the backs of slaves. The founding fathers were good honest white men :facepalm:
  2. The US is absolutely concerned with the economic well being of everyone of its citizens :facepalm:
  3. The US would NEVER start a war or get involved in a war just for profits sake :thud:
  4. The 9/11 plane Flight 93 wasn't magically evaporated, it just hit the ground so hard it broke the space/time continuum and went through the surface coming out in another existence. To date, not a single piece of the plane has EVER been recovered, it was magic I tell you! :eek:
 

Panda

42?
Premium Member
Your last President helped perpetuate the rumour of American stupidity. I mean when you have a leader that is barely literate it leaves you wondering what the people who he is meant to represent are like.
 

blackout

Violet.
I live here. I am generally not impressed,
though there are certainly MUCH worse places to live.
So in that respect, I consider mySelf fortunate. :shrug:
The whole american dream thing is a dung pile of hype.
Our system requires losers to sustain the winners.
This is something I am not at all "proud" of.

With all the over regulation as well...
it's hard to call us an uber free country with a straight face.

American mythology does indeed abound.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I live here. I am generally not impressed,
though there are certainly MUCH worse places to live.
So in that respect, I consider mySelf fortunate. :shrug:
The whole american dream thing is a dung pile of hype.
Our system requires losers to sustain the winners.
This is something I am not at all "proud" of.

With all the over regulation as well...
it's hard to call us an uber free country with a straight face.

American mythology does indeed abound.

Yes, but we still build the best nukes.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Its for those reasons mentioned in the OP is the reasons I sorely wish America had more Socialist tendacies. The working class, which supports the weight of society, has shed for too much blood, sweat, and tears to not be appreciated. Why should we not enjoy a more priviledged life? Why should we work being sick, because we can't afford to take a day off? Why is it that our Corporate big shot overlords make millions upon millions a year, yet the people who really run thier companies can barely make a living? We are a nation of sick, unhealthy, over worked, underpaid, under educated, and under appreciated workers. 50 is the new 40, and still many of us just can't afford to go to a doctor.

With all the over regulation as well...
it's hard to call us an uber free country with a straight face.
You need regulation though. Heavy regulation of private insurance is how the Dutch health care system is set up, and it is rated #1 in Europe. For the basic insurance coverage plans, the government tells insurance that they have to meet a minimum coverage, they can only charge so much for it, and that they cannot turn down or cancel anyone, even those who are considered high risk (rather, there are incentives for covering high risk individuals.).
A lack of regulation is why such a phenominaly massive income gap exists between corporate heads and workers. Lack of regulation is why adjusted loan rates will only end in disaster. Lack of regulation is why we are likely to become a nation with a high karoshi rate, if we are not already there.

I find it funny though how so many conservatives say that socialist nations fail, and that naturalized citizens of these nations are speaking out agains socialism more than anyone. But, according to a few people who I have talked, think it is rather capitalism that is failing. Sacred Silence's step-father, who is from the Netherlands, actually says we need less capitalism. He doesn't think we need full socialism, but rather a healthy blend of the two, which is what the "socialist" nations of Europe are more like.
 

texan1

Active Member
What? I don't understand what you guys are talking about here. Glenn Beck told me that we in the U.S. have the best healthcare in the world.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What? I don't understand what you guys are talking about here. Glenn Beck told me that we in the U.S. have the best healthcare in the world.
Glenn Beck also said that Obama has a deeply rooted hatred for white people. And after a few people that were on his show corrected him by naming people in his administration that are white, Beck contradicted himself by saying "I didn't say he hates all white people." And let's not forget his laughable Russian Communist "comrade" angle, in which he basically said that socialism = communism.
Americans pay much more for healthcare. Insurance compaines already ration health care. We already have waits. Hospitals are already overrun with beurocrats. And we are very far behind in medical procedures that other nations have discovered and practice. We are very clean though, which is probably the only reason we rank as high as we do.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
What? I don't understand what you guys are talking about here. Glenn Beck told me that we in the U.S. have the best healthcare in the world.

Tee hee. Beck is never wrong... except when he is. :)

(By the way, in January of 2008, Beck harshly criticized the US health care system after suffering a botched surgery.)
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Well, we may be falling behind other countries in many important measures, but at least under Bush and Obama we have warrantless wiretapping and indefinite detention without trial. Those things must count for something!
 
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