Nazi Technology, Occultism And Modern UFOlogy

[cardero]

During World War II it was no secret that the Germans were diligent in their pursuit for scientific intelligence and advancement because the Germans needed a weapon that would secure victory for their country and establish them as the dominant world power. Researchers report that the Germans were developing a “Wunderwaffen” (or wonder weapon) to change the tides and win the war.

Researchers also point out that near the end of the war and after, there seemed to be an increase in UFO activity in the form of strange glowing orbs often reported in enemy skies by American and British pilots. These orbs were seen both during the day and night and would demonstrate fantastic maneuvers and also keep pace with the pilot’s planes all the while mimicking their flight patterns. Pilots coined these strange crafts and lights “foo-fighters” and their origins or purpose were never truly discovered or disclosed.

At the end of the war, both Soviets and Americans agreed that some German technological advances were superior and far exceeded their current research by at least 25 years. These two world powers were concerned about capturing and securing as many German scientists for their own country's research and benefit. The German scientists that were captured and brought to American were enlisted under Operation Paperclip and granted immunity and protection from their crimes in exchange for their military and technological secrets and expertise. These former Nazis would go on to become respectful parts to the future of American military and space weapons research and development programs. One of America’s key Nazi scientists, Hermann Oberth, would confidentially admit that the reason that Germany excelled at this technology during the war was because they were helped by “other-worldly” entities.

As well as scientific advantages it has been well documented that the Nazis were also diligently seeking advancement through spiritual powers. Tales of occult research and practices have also found their way in historical books about the Third Reich. One organization that seemed to fascinate the German hierarchy was a mystical organization called the Vril Society. This Vril Society claimed that they could contact the beginnings of the Aryan Race from extra or ultra-terrestrials. Though the German scientists have claimed to learn a great deal about the manufacturing of cigar and saucer-shaped craft from these contacts with spiritual entities, it was reported that they could never understand “the Vril” (or the force) to propel these constructions.

I also include these timely comparisons for your consideration:

YESTERDAY: The research indicates that Nazis conformed occult practices to secure power over their enemies.

TODAY: The CIA has also dabbled in occult and psychic practices in the 1950’s and 60’s to use this advantage as a form of psychic warfare.

YESTERDAY: Due to the allied bombings, the German’s lost many secret development buildings and were forced to build secret bunkers underground to continue their secret projects and research. The Poland based Riese Complex was a secretive bunker in which flying saucer and atomic weapons technology were developed and tested.

TODAY: UFO researchers speculate that there are hundreds of underground bases in America connected by a series of intricate tunnels. The purposes of these bases, is to research, build and test highly secret extraterrestrial craft.

YESTERDAY: One of these scientific Nazi projects was entitled Die Glocke and it was a revolutionary (space time) anti-gravity propulsion system encased in a bell (or acorn)-shaped craft developed in the vicinity of the Riese Complex. Researchers agree that this project may have been the referenced “Wunderwaffen” that the German military needed to develop, build, and perfect in order to win the war.

TODAY: Researchers are leaning that the propulsion systems of most UFOs employ and utilize an electro-magnetic anti-gravity (space/time) propulsion system.

As an interesting side note, diagrams of Die Glocke feature a bell shaped craft with mysterious writing or hieroglyphics around the bottom of the bell. In the 1960’s, a crashed UFO would be found by local residents in the town of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania in which this bell-shaped craft also depicted similar (if not the same) characters around the bottom of the bell.

The Kecksburg UFO Memorial

YESTERDAY: Research into Nazi history has documented that German scientists were into the ghastly practice of using prisoners for bizarre medical experiments and genetic research.

TODAY: In Dulce, New Mexico, located at one of the secret underground bases, researchers have uncovered information about an uneasy alliance between military scientists, officers and extra-terrestrials. In the sixth and seventh level of this base is an area known as “Nightmare Hall” and it is an area that is exclusively devoted to unsanctioned genetic experiments involving humans and animals.

Has our American government ripped a page from Nazi history as a blueprint towards becoming the next world power? Do they plan on not only learning, repeating but continuing Nazi history?

Are some of the UFO’s that were reported in the 50’s to the reports of the present nothing more than craft redesigned from past scientific Nazi research?

Were the German military involved with the occult or in contact with other-worldly BEings in their military endeavors and/or their development of secret disc-flying aircraft?

 

[Nepenthe]

TODAY: The CIA has also dabbled in occult and psychic practices in the 1950’s and 60’s to use this advantage as a form of psychic warfare.

Yet the C.I.A. no longer funds such research and 20 years of experiments yielded nothing substantial.

TODAY: UFO researchers speculate that there are hundreds of underground bases in America connected by a series of intricate tunnels. The purposes of these bases, is to research, build and test highly secret extraterrestrial craft.

UFO researchers speculate on a lot of things, little of which has been substantiated.

TODAY: Researchers are leaning that the propulsion systems of most UFOs employ and utilize an electro-magnetic anti-gravity (space/time) propulsion system.

The Die Glocke claim comes from one source, a Igor Witowski, who alleged he'd seen top secret files of the experiment, and his claims were further spread amongst conspiracy buffs by new age author and conspiracy monger Nick Cook in his book The Hunt for Zero Point. No evidence other than Witowski's claim exists.

TODAY: In Dulce, New Mexico

located at one of the secret underground bases, researchers have uncovered information about an uneasy alliance between military scientists, officers and extra-terrestrials. In the sixth and seventh level of this base is an area known as “Nightmare Hall” and it is an area that is exclusively devoted to unsanctioned genetic experiments involving humans and animals.

LEVEL 6! LEVEL 6!
Paul Bennewitz was responsible for the whole "Nightmare Hall" allegations and several other conspiracy claims in the 80s. There's no evidence such a place exists.

Has our American government ripped a page from Nazi history as a blueprint towards becoming the next world power? Do they plan on not only learning, repeating but continuing Nazi history?

Are some of the UFO’s that were reported in the 50’s to the reports of the present nothing more than craft redesigned from past scientific Nazi research?

Were the German military involved with the occult or in contact with other-worldly BEings in their military endeavors and/or their development of secret disc-flying aircraft?

Probably not to all of the above.

 

[cardero]

Surgiva writes:

Yet the C.I.A. no longer funds such research and 20 years of experiments yielded nothing substantial.

Another theory is that the CIA no longer farms this research to outside agencies. After 20 years of collective data, the CIA is now perfectly capable (and some would say within their rights) of developing this research “in-house” and keeping the results to themselves.

Surgiva writes: UFO researchers speculate on a lot of things, little of which has been substantiated.

In the field of UFOlogy, it is only when a researcher stops speculating (or is silenced) that there is reason for concern or worry.

Surgiva writes: LEVEL 6! LEVEL 6!
Paul Bennewitz was responsible for the whole "Nightmare Hall" allegations and several other conspiracy claims in the 80s. There's no evidence such a place exists.

Pre-Bennewitz allegations reveal a rich history of UFO sightings and cattle mutilations in that area and post-Bennewitz allegations do not really distract from the information that comes from third-party information, construction workers who were employed there, supposed Dulce personnel, inner earth researchers and former abductees. The story of Thomas C. could be considered quite compelling.

In late 1979, Thomas C. could no longer cope with the awesome reality he had to confront. As a high level security officer at the joint alien-U.S. Government underground base near Dulce he had learned of and had seen disturbing things. After much inner conflict, he decided to desert the facility and take various items with him.

Full story here

Surgiva writes: The Die Glocke claim comes from one source, a Igor Witowski, who alleged he'd seen top secret files of the experiment, and his claims were further spread amongst conspiracy buffs by new age author and conspiracy monger Nick Cook in his book The Hunt for Zero Point. No evidence other than Witowski's claim exists.

I never heard of Nick Cook described as a new age author or conspiracy monger, Wikipedia only lists him as a journalist and as the profession describes, journalists uncover information for the knowledge of the public.

Wikipedia also elaborates:

The existence of the bell seems to have started from the claims of a Polish writer Igor Witkowski who became aware of the project after seeing secret transcripts from a KGB interrogation of a SS Officer Jakob Sporrenberg the details of which Witkowski published in his book Truth about the Wunderwaffe.

Before and during the siege of Germany by American and Soviet troops it is my understanding that there was a direct order from the military that countless amounts of evidence in the form of transcripts, schematics, scientific papers, secret projects and even buildings and bunkers be destroyed less this information fall into the hands of the Soviets or the Americans. Nothing was to be left behind on the chance that these invading troops would benefit from this technology so it may not surprise me that no evidence could exist. Do we know if S.S. Officer Jakob Sporrenberg would have held or been in a position that was close to the research and development of Die Glocke? Wikipedia has no personal entry for him but I am still researching.

 

[Valjean]

"Today: Researchers are learning that the propulsion systems of most UFOs employ and utilize an electro-magnetic anti-gravity (space/time) propulsion system."

Where did this info come from? I don't recall reading anything about it.

 

[cardero]

"Today: Researchers are learning that the propulsion systems of most UFOs employ and utilize an electro-magnetic anti-gravity (space/time) propulsion system."

Where did this info come from? I don't recall reading anything about it.

Well I think that would mostly depend on what you are reading?

 

[Valjean]

As written, it sounds like it would be a recurring topic in everything from Popular Mechanics to Aviation Today.

 

[cardero]

As written, it sounds like it would be a recurring topic in everything from Popular Mechanics to Aviation Today.

I would have to agree but I think that the organization that is actually conducting this research and testing these developments probably doesn't want this technology to become "popular".

Any world power that announces or reveals that this technology (this “Wunderwaffen&#8221 exists would cause an imbalance and a threat to other countries. A revelation that we had superior advanced technology (even if this announcement was premature) could ignite fear and a possible challenge to war.

 

[Wandered Off]

A revelation that we had superior advanced technology (even if this announcement was premature) could ignite fear and a possible challenge to war.

So? It sounds like we could just kick their butts with it anyway.

 

[cardero]

So? It sounds like we could just kick their butts with it anyway.

Not if another country has researched and tested superior advanced technology and they have been developing and keeping it secret for longer (keep in mind that the German scientists that were captured were divided among the Soviets and the Americans).
According to some researchers, the Germans may have been on the verge of perfecting and utilizing this technology if it wasn’t for the intervention of American and Soviet military. Given a little more time they may have turned this wonder weapon on their enemies to actually change the tide of this war.

 

[Caladan]

The Nazi wonder weapons were usually 'too little too late'.
Just like the V rockets have not achieved their goals.
The Nazis were working on advanced weapons for the time, that could dramatically shift the outcome of the war, such as jet planes, that had not Hitler diverted fundings to their development could have made a real difference in the war, mass production of the Messerschmitt Me 262 was again, too late to change the course of the war.
one of the most peculiar wonder weapons was a sort of a 'dirty bomb', it was an intercontinental radioactive bomb that was to be flown on a suicide mission to NYC by a German pilot who would never come back, and would take masses of American civilians with him, and would make many Americans in NYC sick by radiation.

many of the Nazi wonder weapons might have been grandiose and unorthodox in their approach, but I don't think they indicate outer world inspiration. for example the Luftwaffe already flew a jet plane in 39' and the British had already designed a jet plane on paper in the late 20's.
This is also food for thought. why would the Germans go for production of jet aircraft, if they worked on the Die Glocke project in their quest for anti-gravity propulsion?

 

[Nepenthe]

Another theory is that the CIA no longer farms this research to outside agencies. After 20 years of collective data, the CIA is now perfectly capable (and some would say within their rights) of developing this research “in-house” and keeping the results to themselves.

Maybe. But I could develop all kinds of conspiracy theories with the absence of any evidence. I'm highly skeptical that conclusive demonstrations of psychic phenomenon would be swept aside or confined. It would irrevocably change the world and I find it hard to imagine it could be kept secret. Argument from incredulity true, but I stand by it.

Pre-Bennewitz allegations reveal a rich history of UFO sightings and cattle mutilations in that area and post-Bennewitz allegations do not really distract from the information that comes from third-party information, construction workers who were employed there, supposed Dulce personnel, inner earth researchers and former abductees. The story of Thomas C. could be considered quite compelling.

I could go on and on over cattle mutilations alone in another thread!For the sake of brevity, I'll just say animal mutilations don't seem to represent much more than typical scavenger behavior.

I never heard of Nick Cook described as a new age author or conspiracy monger, Wikipedia only lists him as a journalist and as the profession describes, journalists uncover information for the knowledge of the public.

I meant his book The Hunt for Zero Point, not his previous work. He's a respected aviation expert, but his book claiming anti-gravity tech' is a bit credulous. He never specifically claims an e.t. origin for the technology, but he does claim that secret Nazi technology led to all manner of mysterious technology just isn't convincing.



ETA: page two FIRST!

 

[cardero]

Surgiva writes: Maybe. But I could develop all kinds of conspiracy theories with the absence of any evidence.

And you most certainly would be entitled to these possibilities except that I don’t understand why you would consider them to be conspiracy theories.

Surgiva writes: I could go on and on over cattle mutilations alone in another thread!For the sake of brevity, I'll just say animal mutilations don't seem to represent much more than typical scavenger behavior.

Stay tuned for the cattle mutilation debate because that is the next paranormal topic I am composing. If you are going to lead with that “typical scavengers” defense maybe I can still squeeze some mileage out of the thread with Jayhawker Soule’s unicorns and minotaurs.

Surgiva writes: I meant his book The Hunt for Zero Point, not his previous work. He's a respected aviation expert, but his book claiming anti-gravity tech' is a bit credulous. He never specifically claims an e.t. origin for the technology, but he does claim that secret Nazi technology led to all manner of mysterious technology just isn't convincing.

I’m not willing to conclude with an extra-terrestrial origin either. The only reason I included this is because the possibility has been reported and the information still remains inconclusive. When you start a thread entitled Nazis, Occultism and Modern UFOology the trick is either to carefully pick them apart or find a common link. I haven’t figured out which is more disconcerting, the possibility that it would take a dictator to inspire a nation to produce new technological means of destruction or that there are other-worldly entities covertly pulling the strings.

 

[cardero]

Caladan writes: one of the most peculiar wonder weapons was a sort of a 'dirty bomb', it was an intercontinental radioactive bomb that was to be flown on a suicide mission to NYC by a German pilot who would never come back, and would take masses of American civilians with him, and would make many Americans in NYC sick by radiation.

Some researchers felt that this was what the Die Glocke was going to be used for except that it may have been unmanned. Since it used a peculiar form of power the Germans would have teleported the device, dropped the bomb and teleported the bell back to Germany before the Americans would ever know what hit them.

Caladan writes: This is also food for thought. why would the Germans go for production of jet aircraft, if they worked on the Die Glocke project in their quest for anti-gravity propulsion?

During the late stages of the war Hitler must have realized that the Grays would not secure them a victory and desperately tried rerouting development elsewhere to salvage his war.

Just as they appeared to have been doing with the contemporary U.S. government, the Grays gave the Nazis bits and pieces of advanced technology, but never anything that could be put together to actually work long enough to decisively dominate their enemies. If at anytime before the collapse of Berlin, the Nazis had even temporary access to one single disc that worked, they could have wiped out the entire Allied Air Force in next to no time with that one disc and within a few hours transform defeat into victory.

Extra-terrestrial Friends Or Foes-George C. Andrews
Chapter: Hitler’s Alien Alliance
Pg: 54

Hitler considered the Grays a new class of overlords. He serviced their needs in expectance of securing a throne and they in return threw him bones.

Having gotten all the mileage they could out of the Nazis, in terms of abundant provisions of the substances the Grays are now known to feed upon, the Grays followed their own standard operating procedure of double-crossing their no longer useful devotees, discarding them like the rind of an orange that has been pulped.

Extra-terrestrial Friends Or Foes-George C. Andrews
Chapter: Hitler’s Alien Alliance
Pg: 53

 

[Caladan]

Some researchers felt that this was what the Die Glocke was going to be used for except that it may have been unmanned. Since it used a peculiar form of power the Germans would have teleported the device, dropped the bomb and teleported the bell back to Germany before the Americans would ever know what hit them.

Nazi projects to bomb the USA with A-bombs or at least dirty bombs in projects such as the Huckepack Projek did not contain this kind of uber technology elements, which is why they were aborted, as the Germans simply didnt have the means to materialize these projects.

During the late stages of the war Hitler must have realized that the Grays would not secure them a victory and desperately tried rerouting development elsewhere to salvage his war.


Hitler considered the Grays a new class of overlords. He serviced their needs in expectance of securing a throne and they in return threw him bones.

Are any of those ideas found in the academic history books? and if not do you simply believe its because of a large scale cover up, which has simply gone under the radar of WWII historians?

 

[cardero]

Caladan writes; Are any of those ideas found in the academic history books?

The ideas that Hitler had leanings toward the occult and the technological theories that the Nazis were experimenting with unorthodox flying weapons including the development of flying discs could have been briefly mentioned in some books but an “academic historian” would probably feel that they were not experienced or qualified to elaborate on these subjects (for example they might not have been knowledgeable on the interests of the Third Reich or about themes of the occult or Unidentified Flying Objects).

One of the points expressed in this thread is to try to identify whether the history or concepts of Nazism is finished or whether these procedures and practices are still continuing in some countries, in which case, the many academic books we could read on the subject would seem incomplete or unfinished.

 

[Father Heathen]