Near Death Experiences Disolve All Religions

[paradigm13]

So I've read/watched more Near Death Experience accounts than I can shake a stick at and what I've found is...

The higher percentage of accounts do not see jesus, buddha, or any other God's from religions. They see a being of light that's usually faceless and other spirit's usually deceased family members or other familiar souls.


Literally NO mention of the bible or any other religious scriptures in NDE's if there is It has to be 1%.


It means that man made scripters are not the focus of life the only main key message from NDE's is compassion for each other "love" that is all.

There is a whole database of these video on youtube under ndeaccounts I encourage you to study them!


How it seems to work is christians only watch the NDE's that have something to do with jesus, any NDE's without jesus are probably tricks of Satan

The new age type accept most of them but usually dismiss any with Jesus in them.

Love to hear your thoughts on where your religions fit into NDE's

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nde's are not regarded as anything substantial other than for the experience that plays out during such a time that it occurs. Im sure its potent enough to give a person pause upon reflection, Yet it remains an empty realm in which such an experience remains valid and relevant in the moment, and of course, privy to dissipating like all things.

 

[Quintessence]

Contemporary Paganism has no unified stance on pretty much anything, and that includes things like NDEs. Personally, I don't care about them, and I don't think they prove anything metaphysical one way or another. It is a deeply personal experience and should remain as such, and it is neither my place or desire to tell people who have them how to interpret it.

 

[George-ananda]

Love to hear your thoughts on where your religions fit into NDE's

In my school of Hinduism, NDE's fit in fine. Generally, they teach love and not dogmatism is what really matters. Makes sense.

 

[Muffled]

So I've read/watched more Near Death Experience accounts than I can shake a stick at and what I've found is...

The higher percentage of accounts do not see jesus, buddha, or any other God's from religions. They see a being of light that's usually faceless and other spirit's usually deceased family members or other familiar souls.


Literally NO mention of the bible or any other religious scriptures in NDE's if there is It has to be 1%.


It means that man made scripters are not the focus of life the only main key message from NDE's is compassion for each other "love" that is all.

There is a whole database of these video on youtube under ndeaccounts I encourage you to study them!


How it seems to work is christians only watch the NDE's that have something to do with jesus, any NDE's without jesus are probably tricks of Satan

The new age type accept most of them but usually dismiss any with Jesus in them.

Love to hear your thoughts on where your religions fit into NDE's

I believe the spirit of man likes to fantasize so it is difficult to attribute any degree of accuracy to any of them.

 

[Knight of Albion]

Life is a continuum.

When your 'time' comes and you pass over, all those you have loved and who loved you (who have passed over) will be there to greet you. Irrespective of what religion they did or did not subscribe to.
Even your pets will be there.

NDEs fatally compromise Orthodoxy and it's 'exclusivity' mindset.

Say it once, say it a thousand times, it's not what religion you follow, it's how you live your life that is the all-important thing.

The message of all the Masters and teachers of the Light has been the same - that of Love. And it's only through love, in its various expressions - compassion, mercy, forgiveness, Service - that we spiritually evolve and ascend the spheres of Light.

 

[Amechania]

I would think someone who has experienced an NDE would interpret it in the context of whatever spiritual beliefs they already held. It would be interesting to know how many NDE's were conversion events. I know one woman who had been agnostic and experienced an NDE. She subsequently converted to Christianity and attributed the NDE for her change of heart, although she never claimed to have seen Jesus. She converted with little investigation into other faiths, so far as I could tell. She had been raised in a Christian home.

 

[Parsimony]

Given that NDEs often result in contradictory descriptions of the afterlife, I am of the opinion that they are likely nothing more than hallucinations brought on by the unusual brain states that happen close to death.

 

[Breathe]

The map is not the terrain, imo.

 

[Knight of Albion]

Given that NDEs often result in contradictory descriptions of the afterlife, I am of the opinion that they are likely nothing more than hallucinations brought on by the unusual brain states that happen close to death.

This, for example, would challenge that theory ...
Proof near-death experiences ARE real? New book reveals dramatic evidence | Mail Online

And of course there are the millions of people around the world who have had 'signs' from departed loved ones. And if you have had one you certainly don't doubt the reality of survival.

 

[Reverend Rick]

NDE are not any proof or disproof of anything.

 

[Amechania]

NDE are not any proof or disproof of anything.

It could be proof that some people are so insecure that they will make up anything to get attention.

 

[Quintessence]

It could be proof that some people are so insecure that they will make up anything to get attention.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound like a falsifiable hypothesis, ergo it still is not proof of anything. But sure, if you get a kick out of committing the fundamental attribution error and demeaning people who share things, go for it?

 

[Sir Doom]

So I've read/watched more Near Death Experience accounts than I can shake a stick at and what I've found is...

The higher percentage of accounts do not see jesus, buddha, or any other God's from religions. They see a being of light that's usually faceless and other spirit's usually deceased family members or other familiar souls.


Literally NO mention of the bible or any other religious scriptures in NDE's if there is It has to be 1%.

I have never heard it said that Jesus, Buddha and God are all incapable of appearing as a faceless being of light, or as a deceased family member. In fact, especially in the case of God, I would assume this is well within their capability.

It means that man made scripters are not the focus of life the only main key message from NDE's is compassion for each other "love" that is all.

I have a few questions about how you got from the previous statements to this.

1) What specifically about the perceived lack of these three deified beings leads you to conclusions about the scriptures?

2) Why do you assume there is a key message from near-death experiences?

3) How does the perceived lack of these three deified beings lead you to the conclusion that compassion for each other and love is the actual message?

There is a whole database of these video on youtube under ndeaccounts I encourage you to study them!

I am less interested in these accounts than I am in your account of them. I can't debate with a video, after all.

How it seems to work is christians only watch the NDE's that have something to do with jesus, any NDE's without jesus are probably tricks of Satan

The new age type accept most of them but usually dismiss any with Jesus in them.

That's an awfully broad brush you are painting reality with, there. Careful with that sort of thing, it pretty much guarantees you'll be wrong as often as right.

Love to hear your thoughts on where your religions fit into NDE's

What people see in their minds matters. Whether that happens near death, while asleep, or in the waking world. I can't see any reason why god would specifically reward those close to death with such hidden knowledge, and thus I can't see any reason to consider the words of someone who has been near death any more significant than my own thoughts on the matter.

 

[Amechania]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound like a falsifiable hypothesis, ergo it still is not proof of anything. But sure, if you get a kick out of committing the fundamental attribution error and demeaning people who share things, go for it?

I said it could be proof not that it was proof. If you think its demeaning not to consider all possibilities, including self-delusion, you are committing and error of attribution.

 

[Parsimony]

This, for example, would challenge that theory ...
Proof near-death experiences ARE real? New book reveals dramatic evidence | Mail Online

And of course there are the millions of people around the world who have had 'signs' from departed loved ones. And if you have had one you certainly don't doubt the reality of survival.

Something is still necessary to explain why so many provide notably different descriptions of the afterlife. Even people who claim to go to the same place (i.e. Heaven or Hell) often produce different or contradictory details from one another. I also believe it was found (recently or not-so-recently) that even people who are near death have at least some residual brain activity. I wouldn't be surprised if people could retain some degree of sensory awareness due to this. One does not have to be conscious to be aware. I can sometimes hear the television when I'm asleep. Even our subconscious can catch details that our conscious mind misses.

At any rate, the contradictions of the various reports should mean that it cannot be used to support the existence of any one kind of afterlife. If so, which one? How do you tell? Are they all telling the truth? Are some truthful and some lying? Do some simply believe that it happened to them?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Given that NDEs often result in contradictory descriptions of the afterlife, I am of the opinion that they are likely nothing more than hallucinations brought on by the unusual brain states that happen close to death.

I think thats the case as well. They do reflect intimate aspects of the people who experience them, and are unique as fingerprints spanning a wide descriptive range of what people say.

 

[Sir Doom]

Why are we so certain the afterlife must be uniform?

 

[thau]

Literally NO mention of the bible or any other religious scriptures in NDE's if there is It has to be 1%.

How it seems to work is christians only watch the NDE's that have something to do with jesus, any NDE's without jesus are probably tricks of Satan.

Well if I follow you then based on your research only 1% of all NDEs allude to anything Christian. So Christians only follow what 1 in 100 of NDE witnesses are reporting? That sounds very dubious.

I submit there are rather obvious reasons or clues that the ones we are familiar with in the West point to a Christian theology. There are a number of others that bolster that claim because the NDE victim found himself in a state of terror and horror.

And even if we discount all the Christian references, in my opinion it takes a die-hard atheist or foe of religion to deny the obvious truths here, i.e. God exists and so does an afterlife. Too many are trying way too hard to try to explain all the evidence away with dying brains and the like. Sorry.

 

[Sir Doom]

Well if I follow you then based on your research only 1% of all NDEs allude to anything Christian. So Christians only follow what 1 in 100 of NDE witnesses are reporting? That sounds very dubious.

I submit there are rather obvious reasons or clues that the ones we are familiar with in the West point to a Christian theology. There are a number of others that bolster that claim because the NDE victim found himself in a state of terror and horror.

And even if we discount all the Christian references, in my opinion it takes a die-hard atheist or foe of religion to deny the obvious truths here, i.e. God exists and so does an afterlife. Too many are trying way too hard to try to explain all the evidence away with dying brains and the like. Sorry.

I'm sorry, but there is nothing obvious about either of those claims. Regardless of how true any account of an NDE is, it remains second-hand information at best to anyone else but the person experiencing it. In most cases (like myself) it would be third, fourth, fifth or countless times removed from the original source. That is not what I call OBVIOUS, nor is it what most people would call OBVIOUS.