Desert Snake
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As far as Christianity is concerned, what do you think is "necessary" for salvation?
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necessary for salvation
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pwfaith
Active Member
belief in Jesus sinless life, death and resurrection and repentance.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." To believe in Christ involves more than just agreeing that Jesus' words are true. It means to trust in Christ alone for your salvation. It is deciding to place your fate in the hands of Jesus, trusting him to be your Lord and his Word to be your command.
Romans 4:24-25 "The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness - for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."
Romans 5:1,8 "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ...But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." To be justified means to be made right. If we could follow the law and live perfectly, we would be right with God. But we can't do that, we are slaves to sin, incapable of obeying God's law. In Jesus Christ he does for us what we could never do for ourselves. Jesus lived a wholly righteous life - a perfect life in line with the law, in total relationship with God. In Jesus God took upon himself all the punishment our sin deserves (Romans 3:24). At the cross he fulfilled all that righteousness demanded (which he could not have done if he had sinned, and the only way to have been born without a sin nature was to have God as his father, not a human father).
Romans 10:9-10 "That you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." A relationship with God is required for salvation. Even though sin broke this relationship, God provides a way back through Jesus Christ, the mediator who restores the relationship. We saved when we sincerely believe Jesus died and was resurrected, and we trust in him as our only way to eternal life. Such deep convictions will inevitable by confessed by one's words and way of living.
"And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is empty, and your faith is also empty," 1 Cor. 15:14 The word "empty" is the Greek word canos; it means futile, useless, worthless, without purpose. If Christ is not risen, preaching is a waste of time. There's nothing to talk about, there's nothing to gather for, there's nothing to say.
(I would say things like the virgin birth, Jesus divinity, all people have sinned, the Bible being true, etc are all related to this, as they kind of go hand-in-hand - but not required for salvation. well except for being a sinner - one would need to recognize their need for Christ in order to accept him to begin with, imo)
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." To believe in Christ involves more than just agreeing that Jesus' words are true. It means to trust in Christ alone for your salvation. It is deciding to place your fate in the hands of Jesus, trusting him to be your Lord and his Word to be your command.
Romans 4:24-25 "The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness - for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."
Romans 5:1,8 "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ...But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." To be justified means to be made right. If we could follow the law and live perfectly, we would be right with God. But we can't do that, we are slaves to sin, incapable of obeying God's law. In Jesus Christ he does for us what we could never do for ourselves. Jesus lived a wholly righteous life - a perfect life in line with the law, in total relationship with God. In Jesus God took upon himself all the punishment our sin deserves (Romans 3:24). At the cross he fulfilled all that righteousness demanded (which he could not have done if he had sinned, and the only way to have been born without a sin nature was to have God as his father, not a human father).
Romans 10:9-10 "That you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." A relationship with God is required for salvation. Even though sin broke this relationship, God provides a way back through Jesus Christ, the mediator who restores the relationship. We saved when we sincerely believe Jesus died and was resurrected, and we trust in him as our only way to eternal life. Such deep convictions will inevitable by confessed by one's words and way of living.
"And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is empty, and your faith is also empty," 1 Cor. 15:14 The word "empty" is the Greek word canos; it means futile, useless, worthless, without purpose. If Christ is not risen, preaching is a waste of time. There's nothing to talk about, there's nothing to gather for, there's nothing to say.
(I would say things like the virgin birth, Jesus divinity, all people have sinned, the Bible being true, etc are all related to this, as they kind of go hand-in-hand - but not required for salvation. well except for being a sinner - one would need to recognize their need for Christ in order to accept him to begin with, imo)
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
As I said on your other thread about whether or not baptism is required for salvation, it all depends on what you mean by "salvation." Do you make a distinction between "justification" and "sanctification? Once I know the answer to that question, I can answer yours.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
Repenting of all of your sins, and accepting Jesus as your Friend, God, Lord, and Savior.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
And what about the millions who have lived and died without ever having had that opportunity?
the-jesusist
Emmanuel
You forgot some: Give to him that asketh thee. That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. The tough ones Christians have trouble with.
Bob Dixon
>implying
Especially that one about divorce and that one about the rich man. Well, nowadays you can be rich because of your own efforts, which was much, much harder back then. And if you're rich, but still compassionate and charitable, you've a chance. Don't worry, God won't curse you to a life of riches and an eternity of Hell.
But the divorce bit! Oh, my, oh, my! No Christian has any excuse on that one!
Bob Dixon
>implying
Reminds me of the joke/quote about Ruth Bell Graham (Billy Graham's wife) They asked her (Ruth) did she ever think about divorce and she said, 'No, I've never thought of divorce in all these 35 years of marriage, but,' she said, 'I did think of murder a few times."
:clap
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
To be saved you need to repent (change your mind about) your sins and accept Jesus as your Friend, God, Lord, and Savior. That is all there is to it.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I keep asking this (on about four different threads now) and have yet to get an answer: What about the people who died without ever having heard of Jesus? Are they going to be condemned to an eternity of torment?
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
I am sorry but I do not know. I am still learning that myself.
What about the answer here, is that satisfactory? I am curious to know myself how this is answered (should you know please)?
What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus?
Question: "What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus?"
Answer: All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God's grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
I am so sorry for not knowing the answer to that question. I feel stupid now.
No! I didn't know it either, I searched, it might be wrong... I think it shows honesty to say we don't know, it is also the first step to knowing too. Rock on!I am so sorry for not knowing the answer to that question. I feel stupid now.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
No! I didn't know it either, I searched, it might be wrong... I think it shows honesty to say we don't know, it is also the first step to knowing too. Rock on!
Thank you. I believe in being honest so that I do not lead someone astray.
pwfaith
Active Member
That's a great site! I've been using it for a couple of years to research tough questions in the Christian faith. I don't always agree with the author 100% of the time but it's helped me learn a lot on a variety of issues.
What struck me as interesting in this reply is that he chooses to answer with "God" e.g. "The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11)."
This implies we must first accept Jesus as God (I am not debating that) but does it mean that a Christian can almost always answer questions about Jesus and salvation by referring to "God" or scripture on God rather than Jesus specifically?