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[Saw11_2000]

I've had a question on my mind for a while.

Okay, so, if I was to by cryogenically frozen, and I was to be resurrected, I know that I would have the same brain, thoughts, opinions, memories, all of it would come back.

But, if someone took my DNA and cloned me (after the original me died), would my brain be reset, and would it be like someone else is controlling my clone, or is my "concious state" tied to my DNA. Would it be like me coming back as I am right now?

I know it's a bad word to use, but I can't explain it without spirit. Is my body the only one with my "spirit", or does everyone with my DNA have my "spirit", tendencies, and such.

If you need clarification, please ask. It's really hard to explain.

 

[Jaymes]

DNA doesn't have memories, habits you have now, a spirit, or anything like that, from what I understand. If you were to be cloned, it'd be similar to maternal twins, I believe. Both come from the same DNA but have different personalities.

 

[Saw11_2000]

^So you're saying if my DNA was to be frozen, and then cloned, it would basically be an entirely new independent brain controlling my body. My brain and concious state would have nothing at all to do with this new person? I would have thought that if I die, and become nothing (as Atheists believe), that if a new me was cloned, it wouldn't feel like I had come back.

I would have thought that if I died, and I was cloned, essentially it would be me coming back from the nothing, or unknown.

 

[linwood]

Jensa is correct.
Your clone would simply be a baby that looked exactly like you.
Anything goes from there.

 

[Saw11_2000]

^So, if I was to die, then be cloned, I would continue to remain nothing, rather than come back in this new baby. I know that my memories would be gone, but would it feel as if I am right now?

 

[linwood]

^So, if I was to die, then be cloned, I would continue to remain nothing, rather than come back in this new baby. I know that my memories would be gone, but would it feel as if I am right now?

It wouldn`t be you.
You would remain "nothing" in oblivion,

It would be as if you had a twin only he was born after you died.
He would just have the same physiology as you.

Any genetic predisposition you had in your genes would influence him the same as it did you but since his environment would be different he would be a different person/individual than you were.

Kind of like having a child that is your identical twin.

 

[Jaymes]

^So you're saying if my DNA was to be frozen, and then cloned, it would basically be an entirely new independent brain controlling my body. My brain and concious state would have nothing at all to do with this new person? I would have thought that if I die, and become nothing (as Atheists believe), that if a new me was cloned, it wouldn't feel like I had come back.

Pretty much. It wouldn't be you coming back, it'd just be an exact replica of what you were at birth. And even that isn't for sure, since the conditions you experienced in the womb would probably be different from those experienced by the clone in the womb.

 

[linwood]

... since the conditions you experienced in the womb would probably be different from those experienced by the clone in the womb.

Good point I hadn`t thought of.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Jensa again.

I don`t think I`ve even given you any lately.

 

[Saw11_2000]

^So the only way that I could come back from the dead is if I was cryogenically frozen with my brain, and I was resurrected.

If I was cloned I would still be "dead", just someone else is controlling someone who looks just like me.

I'm sorry and thank you Jensa and linwood, it's really hard for me to explain, and you guys are doing a great job of explaining it.

 

[linwood]

So the only way that I could come back from the dead is if I was cryogenically frozen with my brain, and I was resurrected.

If I was cloned I would still be "dead", just someone else is controlling someone who looks just like me.


Exactly.

Don`t apologise, popular media has kinda twisted how people think of clones.
It took me awhile to rid myself of what I was taught through TV and books and such.

 

[Saw11_2000]

Thank you linwood. I'll have to make sure I'm cryogenically frozen.

Why would anyone want to be cloned though? If you wouldn't come back what's the point, just having someone else look like you?

 

[Jaymes]

I wouldn't put my hopes too high on freezing, either. Try freezing a strawberry all the way, then thawing it. Now imagine having to come up with the technology to repair that strawberry back to what it was before you froze it.

 

[Saw11_2000]

^Actually, cryogenics I believe is very good at preserving you I've heard. They take out your fluids, so the water can't explain and crack your cells, I believe is what I read.

 

[cardero]

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Hold on, I will go get one.

 

[mrscardero]

OK...What was the question again?

 

[Saw11_2000]

Lol!!!

 

[Yerda]

^Actually, cryogenics I believe is very good at preserving you I've heard. They take out your fluids, so the water can't explain and crack your cells, I believe is what I read.

I've heard there are many complications. Skipping the detail of preservation, reanimation presents a much bigger problem.

 

[Jaymes]

^Actually, cryogenics I believe is very good at preserving you I've heard. They take out your fluids, so the water can't explain and crack your cells, I believe is what I read.

In that case, dry out a strawberry and imagine making the technology to bring it back to its original form.

 

[Druidus]

Hey, as with any developing technology, it is still in progress. They have successfully used it on dogs, and you can even test it yourself with flies (in theory). Take some flies, place them in a jar, close the lid, and put them in a freezer for ten minutes. When you take them out, they will be "dead", and won't move, no matter how much you poke them. Soon, though, they warm up, and reanimate. Fun!

As for me, I wouldn't want to be cryogenically frozen. What's the point of coming back that way, when I can reincarnate anyway, instead of being old and crusty? I'm also afraid of what Earth might look like in the future, with the way things are now...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

^So the only way that I could come back from the dead is if I was cryogenically frozen with my brain, and I was resurrected.

If I was cloned I would still be "dead", just someone else is controlling someone who looks just like me.

I'm sorry and thank you Jensa and linwood, it's really hard for me to explain, and you guys are doing a great job of explaining it.

Sheesh. So far it's impossible medically and scientifically to bring back someone who is cryogenically frozen. I wouldn't do it until they bring someone else back... let them be the proverbial guinnie pig! :biglaugh:

So far they don't know if the freezing process is where they are making the mistake (right now we know for sure that it kills you - so whatever you believe occurs at death should be applied at cryogenic freezing) or in the recesitation process. That is a significant problem. In other words, the doctors don't know either process from a hole in the ground. It is no different than freezing to death on Mt. Everest - it destroys the body. Medical science needs more to work with now than a destroyed body - we cannot give life to dead cells. You may as well be creamated than frozen because the progress needed to bringing back a dead frozen dude would be able to reconstruct a body from ashes.