Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's because I don't have any difficulty recognizing what the opposition is to the ideals that have been set in this country by the founding fathers.
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Negotiators release $118 billion border bill as GOP leaders call it dead in the House
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You mean, principles like respecting federal authority, the democratic will of the people and the elected government, abiding by international laws, and the right of all people to travel and seek freedom and security?*
*Except the brown ones, of course.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Maybe one day the Biden regime will recognize that if they're not to be looked upon as a lost cause.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You literally have nothing to say. Why do you debate politics when you have nothing to add?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yet you support a theocratic party that opposes freedom and democracy.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think abiding by "International laws" in your post is an indicator of the differences we may have, for which this country is not subservient to any international law, but its own laws which is very very telling of a person's mindset.
That's why there are treaties on the international stage rather than any said laws to be followed by any foreign body viewed as being superior over a countries constitution.
So clearly I have plenty to say on it rather than your erroneous Freudian slip after announcing that I have nothing to say about it.
I know exactly where I am on politics.
But I suppose since you've concluded I have nothing to say, I guess that ends the conversation or maybe your 'lecture' as you put it.
If so, have a very good day.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well one could debate whether it's actually a Theocratic party in light that a theocracy in the US doesn't actually exist.
I will give you a half a credit because I do find the many references to God and spirituality from politician speeches to be quite amusing in efforts to accommodate the demographics of the audience they are making the speech to.
Even the left does that such as Pelosi with bipartisan gun legislation as an example of that Singing God bless America. ....
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No **** one doesn't exist, but that's what the right is pushing for. An obvious example is opposition toward reproductive rights and LGBT rights, and a desire to scrap the separation of church and state as well as the establishment clause of the first amendment.
Cute, but try these:
Evangelicalism - Wikipedia
Christian nationalism - Wikipedia
Dominion theology - Wikipedia
All play a huge part in the Republican party.
You have an extreme view of the power of government because to orchestrate it all would involve making the homelands of these people hell holes for one thing.
After working for the federal government for a short time and big businesses for years on years, bureaucracies feature ways of not doing things. I had to, for example, in one job submit two different time cards. And to make a change in production after a while involved filling out a big online form, having it reviewed for dotted "i"'s in India, and then review by several layers of management before action could be taken.
And of course there was a very active and accurate rumor mill in big corporations which caused secrets to leak out like a fire hose.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The problem is Biden can/will ignore the promises of the bill and just spend the money. He is already ignoring the Congressional border laws already on the books. What is one more set of laws to ignore with free money at stake? The $650 million for border wall means no wall will ever be built since Democrats are inefficient and $650 million will not even be enough for them to finish talking about a wall. Or they will build where nobody cares to enter.
What the Republicans should do is ask for accountability; chopping block. If Biden and the Dems renege on the promises in the bill, then all who renege need to agree to their own automatic impeachment. If the Democrats are being honest, there is nothing to worry about. If they are scamming they will not agree to any accountability, never mind automatic impeachment. Make the chopping block deal in TV to a nation wide audience to make sure they cannot scam out.
What this bill was designed to do was allow the Democrats to share the blame with the Republicans, for the Democrat and Biden border screwup. If the bill had passed, the Dems and Biden may not change anything; renege. The fake news will say this is now all due to the bipartisan bill that the Republican's agreed to but also insisted. The Democrat tricks are not working as well anymore.
Since the Republicans did not take the bait, the Democrats will have to accept all the blame they deserve. The Republican know how to fix it, and the Republican are making that known. This indirect approach is a better way to contrast smart versus stupid and honest versus corrupt.
If I was the Republicans, I would go back to the table and agree to the same bill but with one change. I would give all the border funding money to the border states to spend on border security and the economic hardships created by the Democrats. Take the money away from the Feds. They are not competent and are behaving lawless; not following the law on the books. It is unethical to give tax payer money to criminals, even to criminals by executive orders that ignore the law.
Texas will get it done on budget and no time. They will follow the law on the books. Arizona would need some help from other states, while California will take the money and renege on the border, to cover some of their many bonehead debts. California will then become the focus of illegal immigration. That will be good at election time. The majority of people want tighter borders and controlled immigration, and the contrast of styles will be clear who is who.
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I find it fascinating that Republicans openly refuse
to pass the bill simply because it would benefit
Biden. Trump demanded that they scuttle it.
to pass the bill simply because it would benefit
Biden. Trump demanded that they scuttle it.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The ball is in the Republicans' court now. They now own the "open borders" they like to cry about to win political points.
Specifically the bill authorized many more border patrol agents which gives Biden a classic campaign commercial - "I wanted to hire x thousand more border agents but the Republican party said 'no', you have enough"
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Even the conservative union that represents the Border Patrol endorsed the bipartisan bill, and yet all you can do is to blame Biden.
It also gives Trump a powerful campaign tool, ie,
criticizing Biden's inability or refusal to maintain
border security.
Do you think his followers will investigate his
claim for accuracy or honesty? Nah.
This is precisely why he ordered them to kill the bill.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Actually it's the Biden regime who still owns it, but refuses to do anything about it.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
The US literally helped to draft those laws and agreed to abide by them.
Why do you pretend to care about the law until it doesn't suit you any more? I mean, I know why: it's because you're an authoritarian. You don't care about the wellbeing of the people, or what laws may actually help make people's lives easier. You only care about power, and inflicting that power on others. You've literally argued against people's rights to compensation for excessive police violence and against refugees rights to asylum. You literally just want an authoritarian state which recognises no international law or basic principles of human rights against the power of the state.
Am I wrong?
Not sure you know what a Freudian slip is.
I doubt you do, otherwise you would realise you're an authoritarian ethno-nationalist.
Yep. You've continued to say nothing.
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
He keeps urging Congress to pass the bill but .... still waiting .... Unfortunately, the Republicans have bowed to Dear Leader and decided that voting for the bill would make Biden look good and we can't have that so .... still waiting ....
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, but that is not why the Republicans oppose it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How does Biden "own it"? The problems did not start under Biden, they started under Trump. Biden did not write any of the policies that caused this, Trump may have, I won't say that he did or didn't. And legally Biden could not do anything.
Why do Republicans try to claim that this is a country of laws, except when the laws go against their personal beleifs.
As far as the election, yes people are stupid and many on the right will foolishly blame Biden for this failure. Luckily Trump is an idiot. He has already bragged in speeches that he managed to prevent this act from passing. He lied about it of course, but in commercials they can focus on him claiming that he was the one that kept the borders open.