Neo-nazism and satanism

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Up till this point have I had no problems with LHP folks. To me the whole idea of Neo-Nazis in any group causes me to wonder about them.

Not to change the subject or anything, but considering this is coming from an advocate of a religious structure that enforces a regulated caste system that puts a group of people at a 'sub human' level, based purely on their birth lineage, I find this comment both hypocritical and amusing. Carry on!

 

[Gabethewiking]

Not to change the subject or anything, but considering this is coming from an advocate of a religious structure that enforces a regulated caste system that puts a group of people at a 'sub human' level, based purely on their birth lineage, I find this comment both hypocritical and amusing. Carry on!

I am confused here, Nazism is a govermental system whiles Satanism is a form of Christian religious worship.. Pretty big difference.

Yes, Both Religion and Nazism is Evil at its core, but how do you combine them in such a weird manner here?

 

[Erebus]

Up till this point have I had no problems with LHP folks. To me the whole idea of Neo-Nazis in any group causes me to wonder about them.

It may be a little "no true scotsman" but really LHP and Nazism don't go well together. LHP encourages against wasted or excessive hatred while Nazism encourages it. LHP promotes personal freedom and choice while Nazism restricts it. Like I said it doesn't make sense to me as I view the two as being incompatible.

I am confused here, Nazism is a govermental system whiles Satanism is a form of Christian religious worship.. Pretty big difference.

*awaits angry satanists' responses* :beach:

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Not to change the subject or anything, but considering this is coming from an advocate of a religious structure that enforces a regulated caste system that puts a group of people at a 'sub human' level, based purely on their birth lineage, I find this comment both hypocritical and amusing. Carry on!

I follow Tantra my sect has never approved of the caste system. Please dont stereo type. I don't when it comes to you LHP folks.
The Tantra is for all men, of whatever caste,and for all women.
-Gautamiya Tantra.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Nazism is a govermental system

False

Satanism is a form of Christian religious worship

False

Also, the tone of your post seems to imply that you think I am arguing for the compatibility of Satanism and nazi-ism, To that I can only say..read slower and think faster.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Please dont stereo type. I don't when it comes to you LHP folks

Up till this point have I had no problems with LHP folks. To me the whole idea of Neo-Nazis in any group causes me to wonder about them.

That was sort of my point. If you are going to try to cast shadow on the LHP because some that walk the path are also intonational socialism or some derivative, you should expect to have such blanket reasoning returned your way. Especially since the caste system is a cornerstone to hinduism, while naziism isnt even compatible with Satanic philosophy.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Do you believe it is ok to discriminate against interracial couples, I.E. not renting them an apartment.

No, I do not.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

. Especially since the caste system is a cornerstone to hinduism, while naziism isnt even compatible with Satanic philosophy.

One more time the caste system is not the cornerstone of Hinduism. It has no organized belief system. Hinduism is a mass of contradictions. I do not want to Hijack this thread but I can prove it I have done it many times before.

I believe you when you say that nazism is not Satanism. In fact it just makes no sense. I have been very frustrated on this thread ( not being in the debate area ) because of not being on the attack some the ideas of race Being posted. I am shocked at some of the beliefs of the posters. Just like I am shocked at christians or Hindus who support the caste system. (yes their are some christians in India who believe in it)


I do not see the movie Hell Boy as being historically accurate.

 

[Adramelek]

Nazism or the Socialist Germans Workers Party was not a governmental system. It was a political philosophy and a political party in Germany in the 1920's-1945.

/Adramelek\

 

[SugaCubez352]

For anyone genuinely interested in Satanism and National-Socialism, there is a 121 page article written by an observer who is neither a Nazi or Satanist HERE.

You'll see the article lists various brands (sects/schools) of Satanism and how NS fits into their memeplex. I'll paste this article's table of content here so those few literate people here who are actually interested in this subject can get the gist of it, and perhaps further educate or satiate their interests:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Introduction

Anton LaVey
Zeena LaVey, Nikolas Schreck and The Werewolf Order
Boyd Rice
Michael Moynihan
Temple of Set and the Order of the Trapezoid
Order of Nine Angles and inspired organisations
Background
Was the ONA a real order from the beginning?
Literature of the ONA
Human Sacrifice
Survivalism and Physical Fitness
Opposition to 'Magian' Philosophies
Star Gates
Column 88
Combat 18
Myatt's 'conversion' to Islam
Is David Myatt actually Anton Long?
Multiple Pseudonyms
Christos Beest and the ONA
Temple 88
White Order of Thule
ONA Nexus 352
Temple of THEM
Tempel ov Blood
Is the ONA Neo-Nazi?
The Joy of Satan Ministries
Philosophical Sources
Final Conflict
Aryan Satanic Brotherhood
Black Sun
Heathens Against Hate
Vexen Crabtree

Anarchy vs Fascism

Literal vs Symbolic
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[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

As mentioned in the other thread you dropped this spam, this is an inflammatory, biased and oftentimes flatly incorrect source. Maybe you should stick to buddhism.

 

[Adramelek]

I agree with Satans_Serrated_Edge. The information sited on this spam concerning the ToS and the Order of the Trapezoid is flawed and totally misguided! I know a thing or two about the Temple of Set and the O.Tr. as I am a former Adept of the Temple and plan to reafilliate soon. Sure there are Setians who practice Rune Magic and who have interests in Norse mythology, and for the last time... there are no Nazi party sympathizors in the ToS!

:bat:
/Adramelek\

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Given that website paints the left hand path as some sort of breeding ground for nazi-ism, I now feel it necessary, in the interest of clarity to state that in my 20 years of involvement with Satanism and Satanists, I have never once met a 'nazi' or skinhead. As I have stated previously, blanket prejudice is incompatible with basic Satanic philosophy.

 

[Adramelek]

blanket prejudice is incompatible with basic Satanic philosophy.

And the same holds true for Setian philosophy. The High Priestess of Set is a black woman. Nazis will not find themselves welcome within the venerable halls of the Temple of Set.

/Adramelek\

 

[Sireal]

SugaCubez,

Excellent resource, thanks for posting it.

I would be very interested in seeing the same effort applied to the Abrahamic and other RHP religions. There is far more actual physical evidence that these constructs Actively employ racist/fascist principles to achieve their ends having strong political/religious/media backing and are far more well organized/armed to achieve those ends than the Satanic community is. Taking the source of imagery, for instance the Black Sun and lapping it over an present day Satanic ideology is not enough to label someone a nazi-I make the Black Sun in a silver ring but it is the origins of the image I am concerned with when creating such things not how they have been/are abused by other constructs.
As for the pot calling the kettle black, it is high time the Abrahamic/RHP religions answer for their flagrant abuse of power, murder, genocide, misogyny, fear mongering etc.. over the millenia and be held accountable for the monstrosities they have created in the name of human created non-existent beings they call god simply to attain power and control over population constructs-culture and tradition/money/ sex on demand/resources and destruction of the environment for personal gain, world wide. I doubt that will happen soon and really do not care anymore, but I feel strongly that these now obvious principles fostered by such religious constructs directly relate to the rise of fascism in all elements of society- "if it works for them maybe it will for us too" sort of thing. Disturbing but appropriate in a magical sense as any Working of such magnitude and force must bare its full presence at some point.

Speaking from the mundane self these would be my reactions and were I not Setian I would likely, ignorantly, pursue some course of action in that direction, as the blatant crimes/lies of these religions has gone so far beyond sanity as to be sickening in the extreme and they quite frankly, in my mundane opinion, deserve every ounce of the water of their "labor" in the forms it now manifests.

As a Setian however, I Know that they have created their own end and I almost never waste my time on them anymore, or anyone with such an agenda for that matter- same shyte different pile headed down the same hole. I simply observe their construct falling apart as their pleas to god/ego fall on deaf ears and do my best to stay out of the way of the debris as they crumble and fall hopelessly into the pit called "Because".

Like the signature says: having made their cistern, must drink deeply of the poison it contains and live with it.......

 

[Adramelek]

As a Setian however, I Know that they have created their own end and I almost never waste my time on them anymore, or anyone with such an agenda for that matter- same shyte different pile headed down the same hole. I simply observe their construct falling apart as their pleas to god/ego fall on deaf ears and do my best to stay out of the way of the debris as they crumble and fall hopelessly into the pit called "Because".

Like the signature says: having made their cistern, must drink deeply of the poison it contains and live with it.......

Excellent post Sireal, thank you. In my opinion, throughout history, many Christian and Islamic religions have hands drenched in blood and I'm not sure it could ever be washed away. The theme of the Christian crusades seemed to be "Worship our god or die". Millions of innocent people have died, and in my opinion, noblely because they refused to bow to falls gods and doctrines.

I vowed a long time ago, if there ever came a time when I was given the choice in my lifetime to either bend my knee and worship the gods of death, Christ or Allah, I would much rather be beheaded or burned at the stake than live a life devoid of the Freedom of mind and will!

As Dr. Michael Aquino once said "I will stand up for the Prince of Darkness in this world, and shall walk with him in the next."

Hail, Set!

Xeper in Ma'at.
/Adramelek\

 

[Sireal]

Excellent post Sireal, thank you. In my opinion, throughout history, many Christian and Islamic religions have hands drenched in blood and I'm not sure it could ever be washed away. The theme of the Christian crusades seemed to be "Worship our god or die".

There is a great deal of back tracking going on in organized religious ranks these days-much must be answered for if they are to continue to thrive, heck! I even saw a Christian Wicca list-WOW! Before you know it there will Christian-Satanists too...:run:I mean it just makes ....right?

As Dr. Michael Aquino once said "I will stand up for the Prince of Darkness in this world, and shall walk with him in the next."

And so shall I - Devil Be My God!

Xeper!

 

[Sireal]

Interestingly enough there are several religious organizations and individuals on this list but no respectable LHP groups, how about that!

Hate Map | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[Serpent Child]

Yeah, I think that the American nazi movement leader and the JoS leader were married or something. And as I stated, there are nazi recruiters preying on satanist channels.

The truth is that JoS is a mariginal group, and even though the actual numbers are not public knowledge, it is much smaller than the other more well known organizations such as the Temple of Set.

There are an estimated 20,000-50,000+ of spiritual satanists that associate with Joy of Satan.