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Never heard of this one

pearl

Well-Known Member
On Friday a state trooper stop to offer aid to two cars in the breakdown lane on I95, as they were refueling their cars. After noticing they wore combat gear and spotted arms which none were licensed to carry he called for backup, SWAT arrived and 7 of the nine men fled into the woods. They finally rounded up all nine who stated they were on their way to Maine for 'training'. I assumed these were just another white supremacy group. However, they were African Americans belonging to a group called "Moorish Sovereign Ideology."
Anyone familiar with this group?

"Moorish Sovereign Ideology."
 

McBell

Unbound
On Friday a state trooper stop to offer aid to two cars in the breakdown lane on I95, as they were refueling their cars. After noticing they wore combat gear and spotted arms which none were licensed to carry he called for backup, SWAT arrived and 7 of the nine men fled into the woods. They finally rounded up all nine who stated they were on their way to Maine for 'training'. I assumed these were just another white supremacy group. However, they were African Americans belonging to a group called "Moorish Sovereign Ideology."
Anyone familiar with this group?

"Moorish Sovereign Ideology."
I remember enough of this story to have found this link of it:

But other than that, no
 

AlexanderG

Active Member
It makes me wonder why they felt the need to visibly hold large guns while refueling their cars.

It also makes me wonder whether they would have been challenged by the police if they'd been a white group. I'd like to think they would have, especially in the Boston area where I believe openly carrying such guns is illegal.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I ran across this a week or so ago before it weirdly popped up on RF. I looked at the definition and wonder why it's a wrong theory or have so much debate.


Is there a neutral explanation of what this is a problem? Racism has always been in our laws. Not sure why that's a problem teaching it.

I don't watch talk/interviews. They have too many ideas back and forth and it's hard to follow.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
It makes me wonder why they felt the need to visibly hold large guns while refueling their cars.

The guns became visible only after the trooper approached the 9 men in the cars. Two were caught immediately, the other 7 took off into the woods. The fact that there were 'no' shots fired the police kept their cool. It could have taken a whole different course.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the news....
She bought her dream home; a ‘sovereign citizen’ changed the locks
Excerpted...
The official-looking letters started arriving soon after Shanetta Little bought the cute Tudor house on Ivy Street in Newark, New Jersey. Bearing a golden seal, in aureate legalistic language, the documents claimed that an obscure 18th-century treaty gave the sender rights to claim her new house as his own.

She dismissed the letters as a hoax.

And so it was with surprise that Little found herself in her yard on Ivy Street on a June afternoon as a police SWAT team negotiated with a man who had broken in, changed her locks and hung a red-and-green flag in its window. He claimed he was a sovereign citizen of a country that does not exist and for whom the laws of the United States do not apply.

Little was a victim of a ploy known as paper terrorism, a favorite tactic of an extremist group that is one of the fastest growing, according to government experts and watchdog organizations. Known as the Moorish sovereign citizen movement, and loosely based around a theory that Black people are foreign citizens bound only by arcane legal systems, it encourages followers to violate existent laws in the name of empowerment. Experts say it lures marginalized people to its ranks with the false promise that they are above the law.

The man who entered her house, Hubert John of Los Angeles, was arrested June 17 and charged with criminal mischief, burglary, criminal trespass and making terroristic threats. Prosecutors in New Jersey are preparing to take the case before a grand jury, according to Katherine Carter, a spokeswoman for the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office. He was released on his own recognizance.

But the strange letters declaring that Little’s home is not her own still come. They arrive on faux-consular letterhead using the name Lenapehoking of the Al Moroccan Empire at New Jersey State Republic. Lenapehoking was the land between New York City and Philadelphia that includes New Jersey and was home to the Indigenous Lenape tribe before it was colonized by European settlers. John and his group refer to themselves as Moors.
 
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