Never Surrender

[questfortruth]

If your action is useful in all respects, but it reduces the likelihood of success many times (yes, even a million times), then feel free to do this action. Provided that the initial probability of success is very low (one percent or less). After all, there was no hope, only as to the God of Luck. Therefore, if you will be unpopular even more, then it's okay.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Nakosis]

I'd suppose that is why politicians often fail. The most useful actions are never popular.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If your action is useful in all respects, but it reduces the likelihood of success many times (yes, even a million times), then feel free to do this action. Provided that the initial probability of success is very low (one percent or less). After all, there was no hope, only as to the God of Luck. Therefore, if you will be unpopular even more, then it's okay.

So no matter how thick the wall is or what it is made of, I should continue to beat my head against it, because it is teeny tiny speck of possibility I will break through?

 

[exchemist]

If your action is useful in all respects, but it reduces the likelihood of success many times (yes, even a million times), then feel free to do this action. Provided that the initial probability of success is very low (one percent or less). After all, there was no hope, only as to the God of Luck. Therefore, if you will be unpopular even more, then it's okay.

But what if your action is useless and deranged?

 

[viole]

If your action is useful in all respects, but it reduces the likelihood of success many times (yes, even a million times), then feel free to do this action. Provided that the initial probability of success is very low (one percent or less). After all, there was no hope, only as to the God of Luck. Therefore, if you will be unpopular even more, then it's okay.

Yeah, like the Black Night in Monty Pythons Holy Grail.

ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

But what if your action is useless and deranged?

For example, many atheists (incorrectly) believe that atheism is better than some unfaithful (fake) theism. Therefore, the chances of avoiding hell will greatly decrease if you become a believer. But since the chance of avoiding hell dying as an atheist is incredibly small, then feel free to become some kind of believer. Since there was still no hope, then rely on Luck. It's all about Pascal's Wager.

 

[questfortruth]

So no matter how thick the wall is or what it is made of, I should continue to beat my head against it, because it is teeny tiny speck of possibility I will break through?

No. There is no chance, no hope. Only if a miracle will happen.

 

[Justanatheist]

For example, many atheists (incorrectly) believe that atheism is better than some unfaithful (fake) theism. Therefore, the chances of avoiding hell will greatly decrease if you become a believer. But since the chance of avoiding hell dying as an atheist is incredibly small, then feel free to become some kind of believer. Since there was still no hope, then rely on Luck. It's all about Pascal's Wager.

Pascals wager is the most foolish idea ever.

1. You cannot make yourself believe.
2. What if you choose the wrong god?

 

[questfortruth]

So no matter how thick the wall is or what it is made of, I should continue to beat my head against it, because it is teeny tiny speck of possibility I will break through?

There is something beyond hope. When hope dies, will of God remains.

 

[questfortruth]

Pascals wager is the most foolish idea ever.

1. You cannot make yourself believe.
2. What if you choose the wrong god?

1. Nobody has even tried.
2. There are two gods only: God and satan.

 

[Justanatheist]

2. There are two gods only: God and satan.

If you could prove that everyone would believe as you do, but you cannot so your god is not believed by the majority of people.

 

[questfortruth]

If you could prove that everyone would believe as you do, but you cannot so your god is not believed by the majority of people.

I can. The logic is on God's side, not satan. But the people require the testimonies under torture. Google: holy martyrs.

 

[Justanatheist]

I can. The logic is on God's side, not satan. But the people require the testimonies under torture. Google: holy martyrs.

Prove it then

 

[questfortruth]

Prove it then

Will somebody come over and torture my body? Or how else to prove? Or do you need miracles? They usually come, when they torture body of a martyr.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Pascals wager is the most foolish idea ever.

1. You cannot make yourself believe.
2. What if you choose the wrong god?

Are you familiar with Stephen Stich?

 

[Justanatheist]

Are you familiar with Stephen Stich?

Sorry, no.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Sorry, no.

I am looking for the paper, but he refutes Pascal's Wager coming to much the same conclusion as you noted about the possibility of accepting the wager and getting the wrong god.

If I find it, I'll pass a copy or link along.

 

[questfortruth]

I am looking for the paper, but he refutes Pascal's Wager coming to much the same conclusion as you noted about the possibility of accepting the wager and getting the wrong god.

If I find it, I'll pass a copy or link along.

Is this spreading the Gospel of Christ? You are helping atheists to be more atheistic.