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I've just found this forum and this post is by way of introduction.

I'm 65, live in the UK, married to an Argentine woman ( now a convert from Catholicism to the Baptist Church) and after 50 years away from faith ( C of E) I've been trying to find a way back!

I'm looking forward to exploring the forum and hope to get things more clear in my mind. My initial intention was to return to the C of E but on seeking help/advice from my church of so long ago, I soon realised just how badly split it now was. I skipped through an online Alpha course and the same old problems/severe doubts about the Christian beliefs shone through. In brief this was largely to do with how to view the Bible and interpretations of it. I was quite in sync with Orthodox Anglican teachings on many social issues but just couldn't get through the supernatural elements so needed to have a full belief. The mainstream liberal Anglicanism does very little for me.
I began turning to Catholicism, something that was alien, even the enemy to me growing up in Liverpool in the 50s and 60s. Even though my family was in no way religious, they never seemed to miss an opportunity to slag off the Catholics. Anyway, having listened and read a number of things about the Catholic church and its social programme and having worked for a year in an Irish welfare association in Birmingham that was strongly attached to the Church, I began to look for more answers in a rapidly changing social world. I thought I was beginning to make sense of things, teachings seemed to suggest for example that evolution was the best explanation of origins and that the creation stories were allegories. At last I thought, those, or some aspects of the Bible that I'd always struggled with were actually not literal matters but allegories very similar to so many stories of the ancient world. Alas, further reading of a website, Catholics Coming Home, seemed to contradict that. If it's in the Bible, it must be true was the general view on there. So, back to square one. No point going further wit the vicar at my local church as he told me I can't cherry pick which parts of the Bible I agree with and furthermore, Adam and Eve was not a first order question but he did believe in Noah and the walls of Jericho story. I was being preached at .

I'll leave it there, I think anyone reading this will see the confused state I'm in but I also hope that some will see that this is a genuine attempt to understand who we are, where we came from and where we are going.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I'll leave it there, I think anyone reading this will see the confused state I'm in but I also hope that some will see that this is a genuine attempt to understand who we are, where we came from and where we are going.

You've come to the right place. :) There are so many viewpoints expressed here, all you have to do is ask questions and sit back and evaluate the answers. You'll know what rings true and what doesn't.

Welcome! :D
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
I've just found this forum and this post is by way of introduction.
Hi Kevin,
Welcome to the forum. You will find plenty of viewpoints here. I hope you will eventually find a community of believers that somewhat fits your own views. I think most important is to stay true to yourself.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Confusion is so much better than certainty.
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Welcome! I’d like to know what you miss in the faith you had.
Hello Jim,
Not an easy question to answer because it was so long ago ( 50 years) and I think my reasons for attending church and getting confirmed were more social. However, now I feel that there is something missing within me, I seem far too uptight, lacking an inner peace, calmness and confidence and I also look at the social fabric of the UK being torn apart and think that it is only some parts of religion that is trying to prevent this.
 

Meghan W

New Member
Hi Kevin,

I'm new here, too! I saw your post and was encouraged to hear that you're asking such significant questions. I think some of the things you're pushing into are central to what life is about and why we're here. I had similar questions and struggles for a number of years and began to study the Bible and its reliability. I was surprised by what I learned and came to believe that God is real and that we can know about Him and also know Him personally - it's changed my life!

One thing the Bible says is that God created us to be in a relationship with Him. The Bible is the story of God, describing how we can have a restored relationship with Him. I think it's amazing that you're asking these questions and looking into these things!

One question - If the God of the Bible was real, and you could know Him personally, would you want to?

Meghan :)
 
Hi Kevin,

I'm new here, too! I saw your post and was encouraged to hear that you're asking such significant questions. I think some of the things you're pushing into are central to what life is about and why we're here. I had similar questions and struggles for a number of years and began to study the Bible and its reliability. I was surprised by what I learned and came to believe that God is real and that we can know about Him and also know Him personally - it's changed my life!

One thing the Bible says is that God created us to be in a relationship with Him. The Bible is the story of God, describing how we can have a restored relationship with Him. I think it's amazing that you're asking these questions and looking into these things!

One question - If the God of the Bible was real, and you could know Him personally, would you want to?

Meghan :)
Hello Meghan,
I'm really pleased that you've been able to find answers and that things have turned around in your life.

You'll see from my questions that I am searching for answers and in answer to your question, yes, I'd very much like to be able to know God personally and that would mean getting far closer to truth than I am now. One point that arises as an addition to your question is, what do we mean by God? For example, for many, the God of the Old Testament seems nothing like the one of the New but we are told they are. furthermore, is Jesus also God, if so, when did he become so, at birth, at death, at the resurrection etc etc.

All those things are swirling around in my mind and I've reached a point where I would like to find out about individuals who are asking the same questions, at least in part, or those like yourself, who have reconciled matters.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You'll see from my questions that I am searching for answers and in answer to your question, yes, I'd very much like to be able to know God personally and that would mean getting far closer to truth than I am now. One point that arises as an addition to your question is, what do we mean by God? For example, for many, the God of the Old Testament seems nothing like the one of the New but we are told they are. furthermore, is Jesus also God, if so, when did he become so, at birth, at death, at the resurrection etc etc.

All those things are swirling around in my mind and I've reached a point where I would like to find out about individuals who are asking the same questions, at least in part, or those like yourself, who have reconciled matters.

Might I suggest you start some threads on these very questions and see what turns up? They are all very valid concerns that many other people wonder about, and many will tell you that they have found the answers....but they may not be 'your' answers.

I heard someone say that "perception is a person's reality" and when I thought about that it made me realize that a person's perception may not be the truth to anyone but themselves. When you debate with some posters here you will see that their perception of things is their reality, but no one else's. The truth must be held in common with other believers. A "disciple" is a student and students must have teachers. At 2 Timothy 4:3-4 the apostle Paul warned..."For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories." So there is the trap that many have fallen into.....they go 'shopping' for beliefs that 'tickle' their ears. If we want the truth however, then we have to be prepared to change our thinking, just as the first Christians had to change theirs. It didn't make them popular to deviate from the teachings of the Pharisees, but Jesus said that just as some listened to him, then some would listen to his appointed teachers too. (John 15:18-21)

Jesus also said something that is very important....He said "If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31-32) That little word "if" is powerful in that verse. We have to remain in Jesus teachings, being careful NOT to step outside of them and on into "I think" Jesus meant 'this' or 'that'. Understanding what went wrong for Israel, you will see that the same course was taken by Christendom. Disobedience and a deviation into the adoption of false teachings has led Christendom into division and false doctrines that crept in so long ago that people are not aware that they don't belong.
By saying that sticking close to what Jesus taught made then "really" his disciples, Jesus conveys the thought that many might make this claim, but are false Christians. (Matthew 7:21-23) How can we tell? Explore the teachings and their origins....allow scripture to interpret scripture, and pray for God's spirit to direct your thinking.

I look forward to discussions with you on these things, having been raised in the Anglican church myself. Knowledge is power "set us free" from doubt and the influence of false teachings.
 

Meghan W

New Member
Hi Kevin,

I love that you're searching for answers and that you'd like to know God personally if you could. That's encouraging to me. If God exists, and wants to be known by you, then beginning with asking questions, asking Him to reveal Himself to you, is a great place to start!

Here are some initial thoughts on the questions you asked about the God of the Bible:
1. The Bible teaches that God has always existed and that He doesn't change. The differences we see between the Old Testament and New Testament have to do with Jesus and his death and resurrection.
2. The Bible also teaches that Jesus is God and always has been. When he was born he remained fully God and at the same time fully human. When we read about the life of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) we see a powerful picture of how God relates to people.

One thing that was helpful to me as I explored different faiths is knowing that the Bible claimed to be alive and that it would speak to my heart, unlike any other book. It also claims that God wants to reveal Himself to me and that I could know him; that with a humble and authentic posture towards the Bible and Jesus, He would lead me and show me the truth. That was helpful to me because I knew I genuinely wanted to know what is true. And I didn't want to just go through the motions of doing religious things - church, Bible reading, etc, didn't mean anything to me if it wasn't true. So I decided to commit to pursuing studying the Bible and Christianity and asking God to reveal Himself to me. If the Bible is true and Jesus is alive, I believe he will make himself clear to anyone who gives themselves to seeking him and asking him to show himself to them.

Would you want to pursue wrestling with the Bible and Jesus to see if He is real and if He would reveal himself to you?
 
Hi Kevin,

I love that you're searching for answers and that you'd like to know God personally if you could. That's encouraging to me. If God exists, and wants to be known by you, then beginning with asking questions, asking Him to reveal Himself to you, is a great place to start!

Here are some initial thoughts on the questions you asked about the God of the Bible:
1. The Bible teaches that God has always existed and that He doesn't change. The differences we see between the Old Testament and New Testament have to do with Jesus and his death and resurrection.
2. The Bible also teaches that Jesus is God and always has been. When he was born he remained fully God and at the same time fully human. When we read about the life of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) we see a powerful picture of how God relates to people.

One thing that was helpful to me as I explored different faiths is knowing that the Bible claimed to be alive and that it would speak to my heart, unlike any other book. It also claims that God wants to reveal Himself to me and that I could know him; that with a humble and authentic posture towards the Bible and Jesus, He would lead me and show me the truth. That was helpful to me because I knew I genuinely wanted to know what is true. And I didn't want to just go through the motions of doing religious things - church, Bible reading, etc, didn't mean anything to me if it wasn't true. So I decided to commit to pursuing studying the Bible and Christianity and asking God to reveal Himself to me. If the Bible is true and Jesus is alive, I believe he will make himself clear to anyone who gives themselves to seeking him and asking him to show himself to them.

Would you want to pursue wrestling with the Bible and Jesus to see if He is real and if He would reveal himself to you?
Hello again Meghan,
Yes, I would like to wrestle with the Bible and Jesus and I'd be indebted to you if you could help with that. I'm not looking for philosophical answers or semantic gymnastics....I'd like to have the feeling of peace and contentment inside me that I see that so many Christians have. I've lumped all Christians together for now for the sake of simplicity.
 
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