new age beliefs thats wrong

[URAVIP2ME]

There is actually no original bible in existence so your post is a bit moot.
While printing presses exist and christians want a bible to prove their christianity then printing companies will prosper.

There does Not have to be original manuscripts existing today
Copies of copies of copies were made and comparing what we now have we can see the Bible is chock full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages showing internal harmony among the many writers
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " it is written...." meaning already written down in the OT
Thus, Jesus based his teaching by his logical reasoning on the OT explaining or expounding Scripture for us.
Besides printing presses, Christians now have access to the world wide web
Remote translations offices now even make rapid Bible translation possible right were people live

 

[Trailblazer]

According to them, God is love, God do not judge, and all go directly to heaven.

Yes God is love and God not not judge but our actions do have consequences.

I agree that our actions have consequences but I do not pretend to know what those consequences will be. Only God knows.

Yes in the end all souls is back with God, but before that some souls have to do many reincarnations on this earth to get rid of karma.

This is my beliefs

What do you think about this? It is really true that all people go directly to heaven? Or if is a half-true like i believe?

Half-truths is no good..

I do not believe that everyone will go directly to heaven since that would not be just.

I believe in good karma and bad karma but I do not believe that anyone ever comes back to earth, since I don't believe in reincarnation.

As the Bible says, we will reap what we sow, and I do not believe in second chances, given what Baha'u'llah wrote:

40: O MY SERVANT! Free thyself from the fetters of this world, and loose thy soul from the prison of self. Seize thy chance, for it will come to thee no more. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 36

I believe everyone will end up with what they are worthy of, which will be determined by God. Everyone does not have the same capacities and I think God will take that into consideration, whether they were believers or nonbelievers.

I believe the soul will continue to progress from the state it was in at the moment of death, so souls who made more progress in this life will be further ahead of those who made less progress.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 155-156

Nobody except God really knows what will happen, but the excerpt below from a longer passage seems to indicate that only believers who were faithful to God will return to God, while others who were victims of self and passion will not progress but rather sink into the depths of hell.

“If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him. If it fail, however, in its allegiance to its Creator, it will become a victim to self and passion, and will, in the end, sink in their depths...” Gleanings, p. 159

 

[F1fan]

Yes, death ends life, and without a resurrection there is No hope at all

Why assume the resurrection myth is true? Have you considered it was a metaphor and not literal? Have you considered that priests lesrned they could manipulate the fears of believers by insisting there was an afterlife?

A critical thinker or a non-critical thinker can think about their life experience with or without religious texts

Critical thinkers will understand how it’s absurd to assume religious texts are literally true. Their thinking will avoid cultural influences and emotions. This is why atheists avoid belief in religious concepts.

I find the Bible is full of life experiences that we can read about and think about whether being religious or not

As historic literature, sure. But you take it literally and is a curiosity. No critical thinker makes the mistake of interpreting the Bible literally. What is your justification? Parents were religious and you adopted their behavior?

 

[Spice]

Nobody except God really knows what will happen, but the excerpt below from a longer passage seems to indicate that only believers who were faithful to God will return to God, while others who were victims of self and passion will not progress but rather sink into the depths of hell

But you don't believe in hell, I thought?

 

[Audie]

Why assume the resurrection myth is true? Have you considered it was a metaphor and not literal? Have you considered that priests lesrned they could manipulate the fears of believers by insisting there was an afterlife?


Critical thinkers will understand how it’s absurd to assume religious texts are literally true. Their thinking will avoid cultural influences and emotions. This is why atheists avoid belief in religious concepts.


As historic literature, sure. But you take it literally and is a curiosity. No critical thinker makes the mistake of interpreting the Bible literally. What is your justification? Parents were religious and you adopted their behavior?

If it's all literal Jesus is a sheep.
And Pi=3

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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As historic literature, sure. But you take it literally and is a curiosity. No critical thinker makes the mistake of interpreting the Bible literally. What is your justification? Parents were religious and you adopted their behavior?

Lost both parents by age 3 1/2
Like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle the parts fit together
Jesus was clear to me that the soul can and does die at Matthew 10:28 B
Ezekiel agrees at Ezekiel 18:4,20
No point in praying (or paying $$$$) for the dead because the dead are acquitted of sins - Romans 6:7,23
How does one take that un-literally ____________
Mankind's long history shows that man has dominated man to man's hurt, man's injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9
How can one take that un-literally ________________
Gather your parents were not religious __________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If it's all literal Jesus is a sheep.
And Pi=3

Or, is Jesus the Shepherd over his sheep - Matthew 25:31-34,37
The resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him - Rev. 3:12; Hebrews 9:24
God and Jesus are in masculine gender but God's spirit is a genderless "it" - Numbers 11:17,25
Also, our spirit "it" is neuter - Ecclesiastes 12:7 B

 

[Trailblazer]

But you don't believe in hell, I thought?

I do not believe in a 'place' called hell which is a geographical location but I believe that souls can be in a hellish state if they are victims of self and passion.

Since you are fairly new here you probably have not seen this three-minute video that I have posted before. It is an accurate depiction of heaven and hell based upon the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

The Baha'i concept of life after death is deeply integrated into teachings about the nature of the soul and the purpose of this earthly life. The following video explains why it is important for the soul to develop certain qualities of character in this life, since those qualities will be needed for the journey of the soul through the spiritual world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus was clear to me that the soul can and does die at Matthew 10:28 B

Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

That verse is not saying that the soul can die. It is saying that the soul can be destroyed, which means that soul will not have eternal life, which is nearness to God. No soul can ever die because the soul is immortal. All physical bodies die eventually because they are all mortal and that is why our physical bodies need to be transformed into spiritual bodies that will never die.

1 Corinthians 15
New Living Translation

42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

 

[Spice]

I do not believe in a 'place' called hell which is a geographical location but I believe that souls can be in a hellish state if they are victims of self and passion.

Since you are fairly new here you probably have not seen this three-minute video that I have posted before. It is an accurate depiction of heaven and hell based upon the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

The Baha'i concept of life after death is deeply integrated into teachings about the nature of the soul and the purpose of this earthly life. The following video explains why it is important for the soul to develop certain qualities of character in this life, since those qualities will be needed for the journey of the soul through the spiritual world.

Very nice. I can't dispute a word, though you know I have one additional bit in my belief. However, that last line ties it all up for everyone -- "The nature of the soul after death can never be described."

 

[F1fan]

If it's all literal Jesus is a sheep.
And Pi=3

But non-believers are going to hell.

 

[F1fan]

Lost both parents by age 3 1/2
Like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle the parts fit together
Jesus was clear to me that the soul can and does die at Matthew 10:28 B
Ezekiel agrees at Ezekiel 18:4,20
No point in praying (or paying $$$$) for the dead because the dead are acquitted of sins - Romans 6:7,23
How does one take that un-literally ____________
Mankind's long history shows that man has dominated man to man's hurt, man's injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9
How can one take that un-literally ________________
Gather your parents were not religious __________

There's no coherent argument here. Where is your rebuttal to what I wrote? I take it you have none.

 

[Trailblazer]

But non-believers are going to hell.

Nope, because there is no place called hell, except in Christian beliefs.

 

[Audie]

Nope, because there is no place called hell, except in Christian belief

Any belief you have is as readily anulled.
For lo!
Belief is the substance of all religion.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe the soul will continue to progress from the state it was in at the moment of death, so souls who made more progress in this life will be further ahead of those who made less progress.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.”

What evidence did Bahaollah or any of the so-called messengers of God give for existence of soul?

"The nature of the soul after death can never be described."

Cannot be described even while living. No one has given any evidence of what they spout.

But non-believers are going to hell.

That is for sure. Both of us and many more, Audie too, unless she repents.

Belief is the substance of all religion.

And nothing more.

 

[Audie]

What evidence did Bahaollah or any of the so-called messengers of God give for existence of soul?

Cannot be described even while living. No one has given any evidence of what they spout.

That is for sure. Both of us and many more, Audie too, unless she repents.

And nothing more.

Ha. No repentation from me.

Evidence provided by Mr.B?

The quality of his writings is evidence
of something

 

[F1fan]

Nope, because there is no place called hell, except in Christian beliefs.

You do remember that I'm an atheist, yes?

My comment was a parody of your typical Christian reply to damning facts about the Bible.

 

[F1fan]

That is for sure. Both of us and many more, Audie too, unless she repents.

No doubt she's the most sinful of the three of us. You and me will just get a slap on the wrist. And then thrown in hell anyway just because God likes doing it.

 

[Trailblazer]

You do remember that I'm an atheist, yes?

My comment was a parody of your typical Christian reply to damning facts about the Bible.

I thought you were being facetious but sometimes it is hard to tell if you are being facetious or if you really believe what Christians tell you..

 

[Trailblazer]

What evidence did Bahaollah or any of the so-called messengers of God give for existence of soul?

There is no verifiable evidence because nobody can see a soul. Baha'u'llah said that the soul is a mystery no mind can fathom.

“Thou hast asked Me concerning the nature of the soul. Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel.” Gleanings, pp. 158-159

Cannot be described even while living. No one has given any evidence of what they spout.

That is correct.

And nothing more.

A belief can be true or false, but it cannot be known to be true or false except by the believer.