New Jan 6th video of them constructing the hangman's gallows.

[Mock Turtle]

No, I don't know it. It is overwhelmingly more common for people to get whipped up, chant threats, and then shrink or shut up when their bluff is called, than for them to carry out their chants. Especially when we're talking about politics and politicians. Hyperbole and violent rhetoric are thrown about by everyone.

And breaking into the building and threatening the lives of others has no relevance of course.

 

[fantome profane]

Now you're focused on the material rather than the meaning or intent?
Your argument is just getting weaker.

If you make a "prop knife" out of real sharpened steel it is a real knife, if you make a "prop hammer" out of heavy hardened steel, it is a real hammer. If you use a real gun with a real bullet as a prop gun, somebody is going to get shot.
This was a real hangman's gallows.

 

[Laniakea]

And breaking into the building and threatening the lives of others has no relevance of course.

Much less than if they used bricks, bottles, fireworks and guns to actually kill people.
Since Leftists have actually done those things and then been rewarded for it, free speech isn't the threat against anyone's safety that it's being made out to be here.

 

[Unfettered]

And breaking into the building and threatening the lives of others has no relevance of course.

I'm doing what's right and extending them the benefit of the doubt. It's called "innocent until proven guilty." Has anyone been charged with attempted murder of Mike Pence? Has anyone been convicted of that? If you didn't have to prove anything in court; if all you had was the video you shared; if you were face to face with them and looked them in the eye, would you convict them with nothing more than what you've offered here?

 

[metis]

If you make a "prop knife" out of real sharpened steel it is a real knife, if you make a "prop hammer" out of heavy hardened steel, it is a real hammer. If you use a real gun with a real bullet as a prop gun, somebody is going to get shot.
This was a real hangman's gallows.

And that is an extremely important point.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They so want it to be true! Remember when they hung Sarah Palin in effigy? Even Trump!

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An effigy involves an actual image or a representation of a person.

See how in these photos there are actual effigies? There was no Mike Pence effigy on January 6th.
Just a gallows and some chanting, "Hang Mike Pence!"

I find it disconcerting that this glaring difference needs to be pointed out.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I'm doing what's right and extending them the benefit of the doubt. It's called "innocent until proven guilty." Has anyone been charged with attempted murder of Mike Pence? Has anyone been convicted of that? If you didn't have to prove anything in court; if all you had was the video you shared; if you were face to face with them and looked them in the eye, would you convict them with nothing more than what you've offered here?

Plenty have been convicted of offences though:

3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for role in Capitol attack

In the three years since Jan. 6, federal prosecutors have charged more than 1,265 defendants across nearly all 50 states and D.C.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Laniakea]

And that is an extremely important point.

Was that ever proven? A weight of around 170 LBS could have been used to test it. Was that ever done?
If not, then it's all speculation and conspiracy theory.

 

[Unfettered]

Plenty have been convicted of offences though:

3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for role in Capitol attack

In the three years since Jan. 6, federal prosecutors have charged more than 1,265 defendants across nearly all 50 states and D.C.

abcnews.go.com

Attempted murder of Mike Pence? Let's answer the question that was asked. It's certainly relevant to the thread.

 

[metis]

Was that ever proven? A weight of around 170 LBS could have been used to test it. Was that ever done?
If not, then it's all speculation and conspiracy theory.

By law and by logic and by having a basic conscience, threatening to hang someone, even as some sort of sick joke, is just that-- sick.

 

[fantome profane]

An effigy involves an actual image or a representation of a person.

See how in these photos there are actual effigies? There was no Mike Pence effigy on January 6th.
Just a gallows and some chanting, "Hang Mike Pence!"

I find it disconcerting that this glaring difference needs to be pointed out.

Didn't need an effigy, the had the real thing.

 

[Unfettered]

Didn't need an effigy, the had the real thing.

They did not have Mike Pence. Good grief. This is just getting ridiculous.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Attempted murder of Mike Pence? Let's answer the question that was asked. It's certainly relevant to the thread.

If they couldn't get that to stick they sure got something almost as serious for these guys:

The harshest sentence yet handed down as part of DOJ's investigation was for Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, who was sentenced to 22 years in prison last September after being found guilty on charges of seditious conspiracy and other felonies. The founder of the anti-government extremist group the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, was sentenced to 18 years in prison in May of last year for his role in leading the militia group in the Jan. 6 attacks.

 

[Laniakea]

By law and by logic and by having a basic conscience, threatening to hang someone, even as some sort of sick joke, is just that-- sick.

But not attempted murder.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Have they been asked if they were serious? If so, what did they say?

Are you serious??

 

[Laniakea]

Didn't need an effigy, the had the real thing.

Did they? I thought it was the Secret Service that had him. Were they they ones chanting to hang him?

 

[SkepticThinker]

A chant is your proof?

Plus the gallows, yeah, that's pretty good evidence.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, I don't know it. It is overwhelmingly more common for people to get whipped up, chant threats, and then shrink or shut up when their bluff is called, than for them to carry out their chants. Especially when we're talking about politics and politicians. Hyperbole and violent rhetoric are thrown about by everyone.

Then you need to better inform yourself.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Much less than if they used bricks, bottles, fireworks and guns to actually kill people.
Since Leftists have actually done those things and then been rewarded for it, free speech isn't the threat against anyone's safety that it's being made out to be here.

You know, all your whataboutisms betray the fact that you know what this crowd did is wrong, but you only view it as wrong when the "other side" does it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They did not have Mike Pence. Good grief. This is just getting ridiculous.

Only because he narrowly escaped.
Haven't you seen the video footage?