New Jan 6th video of them constructing the hangman's gallows.

[Guitar's Cry]

Um it's a pretty small fake mock up with that fella sitting on the deck to gauge its actual size.......

And how could they push a person off with that Itty bitty piece of rope? He'd just stay stuck in the center.

No trap door, no lever, no crossmember support, no fall pit, no coffin, no, blindfold, no last cigarette to puff on.......

Again, I still wouldn't want my neck in it and pushed off the stage.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Again, I still wouldn't want my neck in it and pushed off the stage.

You can't push anyone of that thing. You would need to remove that Itty bitty piece of rope first.

Then maybe he will land squarely on his bum if you kick him right.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

We've covered that ground. I'm out.

It always surprises me the lengths folks go though to stick their necks out for Trump.

Get it?!

Have a good evening.

 

[Unfettered]

It always surprises me the lengths folks go though to stick their necks out for Trump.

Get it?!

LOL! Good pun. But I'm not sticking my neck out for Trump here. He didn't build the gallows art.

Have a good evening.

Thank you. You as well!

 

[Guitar's Cry]

You can't push anyone of that thing. You would need to remove that Itty bitty piece of rope.

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Maybe not a long drop, but I like my neck not holding up the weight of my body.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

LOL! Good pun. But I'm not sticking my neck out for Trump here. He didn't build the gallows art.

Just having fun!

 

[Unfettered]

Just having fun!

Thanks for the levity. I know we're solving all the world's problems here, but we need a laugh now and then, too, don't we!

 

[Twilight Hue]

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Maybe not a long drop, but I like my neck not holding up the weight of my body.

Women are what, typically 5',6"?

Most men would bump their head on the thing.

I agree with the rope thing, unless your like David Carridine or something and enjoy the sensation.

 

[fantome profane]

Most men would bump their head on the thing.

So what? If you are going to hang a guy you are not going to be concerned about him bumping his head.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So what? If you are going to hang a guy you are not going to be concerned about him bumping his head.

Looking at that thing it's obvious they were not going to hang anyone on that.

 

[crossfire]

Even if the gallows is a metaphor, let's look at the meaning behind it: the crowd was calling Mike Pence a traitor because he would not break his oath of office to uphold the constitution: namely his duty to count and certify the electors as drawn up in the US Constitution Article II, Section 1 as Amended by the 12 Amendment!"

Even the most generous metaphorical interpretation reveals the chanting crowd to be anti-constitutional. (Who are the real traitors here?)

 

[metis]

The folks being targeted that day.

If someone built a gallows outside my house, broke in, and chased me around saying they were going to hang me, I would say the sign proclaiming "This is art" would not persuade me into thinking my life wasn't in danger.

Amen to that!!!

 

[metis]

Even if the gallows is a metaphor, let's look at the meaning behind it: the crowd was calling Mike Pence a traitor because he would not break his oath of office to uphold the constitution: namely his duty to count and certify the electors as drawn up in the US Constitution Article II, Section 1 as Amended by the 12 Amendment!"

Even the most generous metaphorical interpretation reveals the chanting crowd to be anti-constitutional. (Who are the real traitors here?)

And that is a really good point as we should all put the gallows in the context of what was going on at the Capitol and why. To just call it "just art" is terribly illogical in that context with so many people hurt and five eventually dying.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Getting called a "he" when you identify as a "she" is violent as well. OITE Blog - NIH office of Intramural Research | Understanding the Impact of Misgendering and Deadnaming.

But it won't overthrow a government.

This was in response to, "You get hit by a flagpole, that is violent, you get pepper sprayed, that is violent. That is "exactly violent".

And once again all you have to offer is yet another whataboutism.

 

[SkepticThinker]

"Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" is what Trump said.
That doesn't sound like he was agreeing with "Hang Mike Pence".

"Mr. Trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m., after the riot was under way: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” That was a reference to the vice president’s refusal to block the certification of President Biden’s election win in the joint session of Congress that day.

“The tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really needed at that moment, which was a deescalation,” Matt Pottinger, Mr. Trump’s former deputy national security adviser, told the committee.

Sarah Matthews, a former White House deputy press secretary, argued that the tweet gave Mr. Trump’s supporters permission to continue their assault on the U.S. Capitol. “It was essentially him giving the green light to these people,” she said, adding that Mr. Trump’s supporters “truly latch on to every tweet and every word he says.”

Both Mr. Pottinger and Ms. Mathews said the tweet prompted them to decide to step down.

The committee played testimony of other officials' reactions to the tweet. “That's a terrible tweet. And I disagreed with the sentiment, and I thought it was wrong,” said former White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

Former press aide Judd Deere said the tweet was “extremely unhelpful. … The scenes at the U.S. Capitol were only getting worse at that point. This was not going to help that.”

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[SkepticThinker]

No jury of the peers of the accused?

Did the very persons who built the art say they were going to hang Mike Pence? Did they break in? Did they chase him around the building? I'm asking because I don't know. Seems that if we're going to hold them accountable for multiple acts, it should be shown that they committed those acts and were not just proximate to others who did.

They chanted "Hang Mike Pence!"

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wonder if the Democrats got hold of Trump? Would they show him their uber cool guillotine and had a bit of a laugh?

Look over there at the hypothetical I made up! Pay no attention to what actually happened!

 

[F1fan]

You can't push anyone of that thing. You would need to remove that Itty bitty piece of rope first.

Then maybe he will land squarely on his bum if you kick him right.

Somehow this softens the fact that Trump made statements that led his followers to think Mike pence should be executed?

It's not really relevant that if Trump's mob got their hands on pence would they actually try to kill him, or kill him. It's why they had in their minds that Mike did something traitorous that he had to be killed at all. He didn't. The mob was lied to.

The traitor wasn't Mike. The traitor has serious money problems, and faces four criminal cases.

To my mind everyone has access to the facts and information about the traitor, and if they continue to support him they too are traitors.

 

[F1fan]

And that is a really good point as we should all put the gallows in the context of what was going on at the Capitol and why. To just call it "just art" is terribly illogical in that context with so many people hurt and five eventually dying.

If the gallows are to be looked at as symbolic, what it symbolizes is Trump's lies and criminal efforts to overturn the election. The noose was to hang democracy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

School shootings are a metaphor for a failing education system, presumably.

School shootings are a direct result - not a metaphor - of a failed gun control framework.