New Mexico Sherriff Will Not Enforce Governors Firearms Ban

[Subduction Zone]

Anyone who believes that having more guns in circulation makes us safter is about five beers short of a six pack.

I would say that they had consumed at the very least five beers out of a six pack.

 

[Orbit]

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is the law. Not some turncoat Judge or governor.

The Sheriff is smart enough to recognize an illegal order and is in his rights to refuse to follow illegal orders.

No, the law is the law and the COURTS, not the cops, decide what is Constitutional. Take a civics class.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, the law is the law and the COURTS, not the cops, decide what is Constitutional. Take a civics class.

Start learning what an unlawful order is.

 

[Audie]

I'm English by birth and have lived in the USA for 30 years or so.

I no longer have any hope that the gun problem will be solved, because it seems to me that to do so we would have to get rid of all guns in private hands (with some exceptions). To do that, we need to remove or dramatically reinterpret the 2nd Amendment. In my experience, even people here that are totally shocked by mass shootings mostly still support the 2nd Amendment, why I can never understand, but they do.

Maybe English have no more biz telling
Americans what to do, than they did
coming to China to tell us what to do.

Esp re something enacted in response to
abuses from, yes, england.

 

[Audie]

I'm English by birth and have lived in the USA for 30 years or so.

I no longer have any hope that the gun problem will be solved, because it seems to me that to do so we would have to get rid of all guns in private hands (with some exceptions). To do that, we need to remove or dramatically reinterpret the 2nd Amendment. In my experience, even people here that are totally shocked by mass shootings mostly still support the 2nd Amendment, why I can never understand, but they do.

Maybe English have no more biz telling
Americans what to do, than they did
coming to China to tell us what to do.

Esp re something enacted in response to
abuses from, yes, england.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is the law. Not some turncoat Judge or governor.

The Sheriff is smart enough to recognize an illegal order and is in his rights to refuse to follow illegal orders.

Right ?
Call it the duty of civil disobedience.

 

[Audie]

The Sherriff's job is to ENFORCE the law. It's up to the courts to decide whether or not the law is Constitutional. This is shameful overreach, and dereliction of duty.

Its the governor who did the shameful overreach.

 

[Orbit]

Its the governor who did the shameful overreach.

Whatever your opinion on that is, it doesn't change the fact that the COURTS, not the cops, decide if the law is unconstitutional.

 

[Orbit]

Maybe English have no more biz telling
Americans what to do, than they did
coming to China to tell us what to do.

Esp re something enacted in response to
abuses from, yes, england.

Right ?
Call it the duty of civil disobedience.

Start learning what an unlawful order is.

That's some Oath Keepers nonsense. It up to the COURTS to decide what an unlawful order is.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I would love to see a country completely disarmed and see how long it lasts without any firearms.

Precious little firearms in the general sense in the UK and precious little mass shootings either. Plenty other countries have similar controls and gun regulations and they don't have anything like the shooting massacres that the US suffers with anything resembling such regularity also.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's some Oath Keepers nonsense. It up to the COURTS to decide what an unlawful order is.

BS. All courts are under the Jurisdiction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Any officer. civilian or military , can refuse unlawful orders from their superiors.

 

[Audie]

Whatever your opinion on that is, it doesn't change the fact that the COURTS, not the cops, decide if the law is unconstitutional.

Put it all in CAPS if you like.
The courts, not the governor, rule on constionality.

It's common as dirt for your rulers to violate the
constitution.

You suggest meek obedience anyway?

 

[Audie]

BS. All courts are under the Jurisdiction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Any officer. civilian or military , can refuse unlawful orders from their superiors.

See duty of civil disobedience

 

[Audie]

That's some Oath Keepers nonsense. It up to the COURTS to decide what an unlawful order is.

Oath keepers? Me? Talking about
the British in Hong Kong.
That is some Quality thinking.
I hope you can't vote.

 

[We Never Know]

Seems that the Bernalillo County Sheriff will not enforce the Governors firearms ban in Benalillo county New Mexico.
I for one also agree that this is an unconstitutional act by the governor along with those on both sides of the political spectrum

New Mexico sheriff says he won't enforce 'unconstitutional' gun ban: 'Protecting the Second Amendment'

Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said in a press conference Monday that he will not be enforcing Democratic New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham's recent firearm ban.

www.foxnews.com

Liberals turn on New Mexico governor over gun suspension: ‘Violates the US Constitution’

Gun control activist David Hogg and Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu both denounced New Mexico Gov. Lujan Grisham's temporary gun ban as unconstitutional.

www.foxnews.com

And to satisfy our leftwing members

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/12/us/new-mexico-governor-gun-ban-albuquerque-explainer/index.html#:~:text=New%20Mexico%20Gov.%20Michelle%20Lujan,gun%20violence%20and%20drug%20abuse.

Criminals won't obey that law. So in reality its only against law abiding citizens.

 

[Twilight Hue]

See duty of civil disobedience

Im thinking the Sheriff will likely have to contest the orders he refuses to enforce. I think he has a strong case for doing so.

 

[Audie]

Whatever your opinion on that is, it doesn't change the fact that the COURTS, not the cops, decide if the law is unconstitutional.

See your evident and ardent belief in
the merit of a governor capriciously and arbitrarily
revoking any other constitutional right.

They don't even pretend it's not a constitutional
right.

Like your Jefferson said, here's your denocracy
if you can keep it.

Here you're cheering on violating the constitution,
and calling names when anyone objects

That is shameful.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The governor's heart was in the wrong place, but not her head. That will not solve the state's problems. It might make them more aware of them, so there is that.

 

[Audie]

The governor's heart was in the wrong place, but not her head. That will not solve the state's problems. It might make them more aware of them, so there is that.

I expect it will make people more aware of
how eternal eternal vigilance is the price
of freedom, and how ready those with power
are to abuse their authority.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I expect it will make people more aware of
how eternal eternal vigilance is the price
of freedom, and how ready those with power
are to abuse their authority.

Possibly. But it could also lead to reasonable gun control. Right now it is far too easy to buy a gun. Ways of limiting how one buys one may help. And laws on how one has to store them could be key as well. One should have the right to own a gun, provided one was never convicted of a violent felony. But with that right there has to be some strong responsibilities.

 

[Orbit]

See your evident and ardent belief in
the merit of a governor capriciously and arbitrarily
revoking any other constitutional right.

They don't even pretend it's not a constitutional
right.

Like your Jefferson said, here's your denocracy
if you can keep it.

Here you're cheering on violating the constitution,
and calling names when anyone objects

That is shameful.

Your opinion still doesn't change the fact that it is up to the COURTS, not the cops, to decide whether a law is unconstitutional. The rule of law is important.