Kristoffer
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Does muslims believe that there is going to come a new prophet, kind of a messiah, to save/lead the muslims at the end of days?
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Kristoffer
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Also: what is he going to do when appearing?
What does it stand about him in the holy Quran?
What does it stand about him in the holy Quran?
Union
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Hi Kristoffer . According to Qur'an Muhammad is the last Prophet , no other prophet is coming after him . In the same connection I may can confirm you that according to Qur'an Jesus is dead and his second coming is a myth . Also Mahdi ( Sunni/Shia savior) is also a myth and has no support in Qur'an .
DawudTalut
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Peace be on you.
By the grace of Allah the Exalted, from Ahmadiyya-Muslim understanding from Allah the Exalted and Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him), 'yes' to all of your question and it has been done, detail @
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Good wishes to all.
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It all depends on your own interpretation of the Qur'an. Many Muslim scholars of the past and present have come to a conclusion that the Qur'an affirms the fact that more prophets can come. At the same time, it does not deny the fact either that more prophets can come. The only thing is that when a new prophet comes, it must be subordinate to the prophet Muhammad (saw), as he has been declared the 'Khatam-un-Nabiyeen', meaning the 'Seal of the Prophets'. This title makes him the chief and head of all prophets, and it also makes him a leader who is able to appoint others into the fold of prophethood under his seal or stamp.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
We believe (sunnis & shias at least) that no new prophet will come. Only Jesus and the Imam Mahdi, Jesus for killing the Antichrist, Gog & Magog and Imam Mahdi for helping Jesus.
None of this is in the Quran it's only in Hadiths (well, Gog & Magog is in Quran but that's all).
Union
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Hi OC . Can you show evidence that more Prophet can come . You said that Qur'an affirms that , hence direct quote from the Qur'an will be instrumental . Thanks in advance .
Union
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Abu-Faris
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There will be no new Prophet after the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him). He is the last Messenger and the seal of all the Prophets. This means that no new revelation and no new Law will come. Islam is applicable in all times and it's the religion till the end.
However we do believe that near the end of days Prophet Eesa (Jesus peace be upon him) will return back to earth as a follower of Muhammad and he will kill the dajjal (anti-Christ).
Before that happens we also believe there will be a leader of the Muslims called the Mahdi. The Mahdi will not be a Prophet or Messiah, but a just Muslim leader who will fill the lands with justice when they were filled with injustice and oppression. The antichrist and Jesus will come at the end of his rule.
These are the beliefs of the vast majority of Muslims.
Some religions that splintered off from Islam do claim to follow new claimants of prophethood or of being mahdi or both like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani! His followers are the most widespread followers of a false claimant. They are known as Ahmedis, Qadianis or Mirzais. Their views are not representative of Islam and it's unanimously agreed by all Muslim authorities that their ascription to Islam is false.
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Assalamualaykum.
I will give you one Qur'anic verse at a time. I will start off by sharing Chapter 7, Verse 35. Let me know your thoughts on it, Jazak'Allah.
Wasalam.
Union
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Before we go more further , I think we need to understand this verse of reference at first :
[033:040] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
The expression of this verse has two notes :
01- Muhammad is the messenger (رسول) , which was cited first
02-Muhammad is the last prophet (النبيين) , which was cited latter
Hence Muhammad is the last Prophet ( Nabi) but not the last messenger ( Rasul) .
Any verse saying that more Nabi will come , may take your side but if the same case is found for the Rasul , it doesn't change the status of the seal of the Prophet .
In your cited verse (7.35) messenger ( Rasul) is mentioned .
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Your translation of the verse is accurate, but I am troubled by the second note. Why does Seal of the Prophets become Last of the Prophets?
You see, the word for last in Arabic is Akhir which has been repeated in the Qur'an to mean final, last, or completion of something. Now the reason this word has not been used in relation to the prophethood of Muhammad (saw) is because God never intended or declared him to be the final prophet.
The word for Seal in Arabic is Khatam, and it can also be read in another recitation, Khatim, both of these meanings come from the Arabic tri-literal root of Kha-Ta-Mim. This root's meaning is to put an impression or seal upon something, as this is the primary definition of this root. Now the meaning of the word can change depending on its usage and context.
There are verses of the Qur'an where God talks about sealing the hearts of the disbelievers, e.g., "We have put a seal over their hearts and their ears so they will not believe." That's just a paraphrase, but the point I want to make in verses like this is that when the word seal is used, the word 'ala' is used after it which in English means 'on' or 'over'. So God has put a seal on or over their hearts.
In this verse which you have referenced, the word ala isn't used. The translation is Seal of the Prophets, not Seal on the Prophets.
This is important to know because God is explaining the status of his prophethood in detail, and many Muslims even today are in debate about what this verse is saying. I will cut the chase and just explain it, if you want to know more of it, you can ask me, but Khatam-un-Nabiyeen doesn't actually mean that prophethood has ended, it means that the prophet Muhammad (saw) is the one who possesses the seal or the imprint of all the prophets, and that if more prophets come after him, they will be under him and be given the imprint of his prophethood.
Of course we will have our differences in understanding this verse, and I agree this verse is our reference. But let us take a look at the verse I referred to see what it is telling us as well, as we should look at the Qur'an in its full context rather than look at one individual verse.
Union
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Your translation of the verse is accurate, but I am troubled by the second note. Why does Seal of the Prophets become Last of the Prophets?
You see, the word for last in Arabic is Akhir which has been repeated in the Qur'an to mean final, last, or completion of something. Now the reason this word has not been used in relation to the prophethood of Muhammad (saw) is because God never intended or declared him to be the final prophet.
The word for Seal in Arabic is Khatam, and it can also be read in another recitation, Khatim, both of these meanings come from the Arabic tri-literal root of Kha-Ta-Mim. This root's meaning is to put an impression or seal upon something, as this is the primary definition of this root. Now the meaning of the word can change depending on its usage and context.
There are verses of the Qur'an where God talks about sealing the hearts of the disbelievers, e.g., "We have put a seal over their hearts and their ears so they will not believe." That's just a paraphrase, but the point I want to make in verses like this is that when the word seal is used, the word 'ala' is used after it which in English means 'on' or 'over'. So God has put a seal on or over their hearts.
In this verse which you have referenced, the word ala isn't used. The translation is Seal of the Prophets, not Seal on the Prophets.
This is important to know because God is explaining the status of his prophethood in detail, and many Muslims even today are in debate about what this verse is saying. I will cut the chase and just explain it, if you want to know more of it, you can ask me, but Khatam-un-Nabiyeen doesn't actually mean that prophethood has ended, it means that the prophet Muhammad (saw) is the one who possesses the seal or the imprint of all the prophets, and that if more prophets come after him, they will be under him and be given the imprint of his prophethood.
Of course we will have our differences in understanding this verse, and I agree this verse is our reference. But let us take a look at the verse I referred to see what it is telling us as well, as we should look at the Qur'an in its full context rather than look at one individual verse.
Though did't get a very clear indication from your post that whether you agree/disagree that Rasul and Nabi are two different concepts altogether , I presume that it is a different discussion for you at the moment .
Whatsoever Kh-Ta-Mim means seal , finish , the end , completeness , accomplishment etc. These are all in harmony with the understanding that 'Khatama nanabyaan' would convey the meaning of the ending of prophet-hood . It is the primary meaning of the verse and no ambiguity in it .
Ala/Over/On is actually a wrong denotation in the verse because 'Khatama' in the verse is noun not verb .
Two things may can change this whole meaning/understanding of the verse :
01- If Seal of Prophet Muhammad contradicts any tenet of the Qur'an .
02- If the Arabic word 'Khatm' used vastly in Qur'an to express some other meanings than Seal/end/accomplishment .
Please enlighten us if you have any info about these two points in above . Thanks in advance .
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Servant_of_the_One1
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There wont be new prophets after Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. However the return of Messiah Prophet Jesus pbuh is awaited. He will return as told by quran and sunnah.
The return of Jesus will be close to the end of time. In fact, his descent will be one of the major signs the final hour is due. The Quran discloses that:
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)
There are plenty of authentic hadiths that are about the return of messiah Jesus son of Mary peace be upon him.
The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) informed his ummah in many ahaadeeth, advising and cautioning them, that there would be many imposters (Dajjaaleen) after him. In some narrations, he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Everyone will claim to be a prophet, whereas I am the seal of the prophets – there being no prophet after me.” [Reported by Muslim and others; See al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah: no. 1683]
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him warned about false prophets/wolves in sheep clothes inviting the people to the fire:
“There will be lying impostors during the Last Days that will bring you narrations, which neither you nor your forefathers heard of. So beware and let them beware, lest they misguide you and bring calamity upon you.” [Reported by the author (i.e. At-Tahaawee) in Mushkil-ul-Athaar (4/104). It is also found in Saheeh Muslim (1/9)]
So i do not know of any person who claims prophethood after prophet Muhammad pbuh except that such person is a liar and imposter.
The return of Jesus will be close to the end of time. In fact, his descent will be one of the major signs the final hour is due. The Quran discloses that:
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)
There are plenty of authentic hadiths that are about the return of messiah Jesus son of Mary peace be upon him.
The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) informed his ummah in many ahaadeeth, advising and cautioning them, that there would be many imposters (Dajjaaleen) after him. In some narrations, he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Everyone will claim to be a prophet, whereas I am the seal of the prophets – there being no prophet after me.” [Reported by Muslim and others; See al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah: no. 1683]
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him warned about false prophets/wolves in sheep clothes inviting the people to the fire:
“There will be lying impostors during the Last Days that will bring you narrations, which neither you nor your forefathers heard of. So beware and let them beware, lest they misguide you and bring calamity upon you.” [Reported by the author (i.e. At-Tahaawee) in Mushkil-ul-Athaar (4/104). It is also found in Saheeh Muslim (1/9)]
So i do not know of any person who claims prophethood after prophet Muhammad pbuh except that such person is a liar and imposter.
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Elusive Truth
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I think that was Ruhollah Khomeini, the 12th Imam?
Leader of the Iranian Revolution, the only revolution in history to take place with above 3% of the population.
Revolutions are usually only successful with a minority. (I know that sounds odd, but a "minority" is what defines a "revolution")
Khomeini's face was seen in the moon for several days following the Iranian Revolution. (while he was still living and the leader the revolution)
millions of millions of believers witnessed this.
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Though did't get a very clear indication from your post that whether you agree/disagree that Rasul and Nabi are two different concepts altogether , I presume that it is a different discussion for you at the moment.
That's a different discussion.
Whatsoever Kh-Ta-Mim means seal , finish , the end , completeness , accomplishment etc. These are all in harmony with the understanding that 'Khatama nanabyaan' would convey the meaning of the ending of prophet-hood . It is the primary meaning of the verse and no ambiguity in it.
This is circular reasoning. Remember, if you want to define a word or term, you cannot define it by attributing the definition to it first. For example, oranges are sweet because it is in harmony with the understanding that oranges are sweet.
This doesn't make sense.
Now the term Kha-Ta-Mim does not mean finish or end, that is the term for Akhir. The Qur'an uses both these words explicitly, we cannot take definitions from Akhir and attribute them to Khatam.
Khatam or Khatim both have the root which correlates with the word seal, or an impression which is marked upon something. This is the primary definition of Khatam, even you have written seal as the first word.
Now for the Qur'anic Arabic, you have to be careful. Many words have different meanings, and you have to decide which meaning of the word best fits for the context. For the word Khatam, there is the primary meaning, seal, impression, mark, ring, etc. These are the primary meanings of Khatam.
There are also secondary meanings, last, final, completion, etc.
When you translate the Qur'an, you have to choose the word which best describes the context, you cannot have both meanings of Khatam in the verse to mean the same thing. It's either one or the other.
If you are going to choose the secondary meanings of Khatam, you have to justify that, because there is no reason to ignore its primary meanings, which is to imprint something.
Ala/Over/On is actually a wrong denotation in the verse because 'Khatama' in the verse is noun not verb.
I do not understand this statement, if you can restate it differently, it'd be greatly appreciated, Jazak'Allah.
Two things may can change this whole meaning/understanding of the verse:
01- If Seal of Prophet Muhammad contradicts any tenet of the Qur'an.
02- If the Arabic word 'Khatm' used vastly in Qur'an to express some other meanings than Seal/end/accomplishment.
I do not understand this statement of yours either.
All I can tell you is that there is not a single verse in the Qur'an that clearly declares the prophet Muhammad (saw) to be the final prophet. Muslims usually refer to ahadith to support this view that Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet, but then again, there are ahadith which state that the Imam Mahdi/Isa will be a nabi (prophet).
If we stick with the Qur'an, we'll find the truth, do you agree?
Now finally, do you have a response to the very first verse which I sent you?
Union
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Ok.
Then what make sense to you ?
Khatm conveys the meaning of ending/finishing/terminating also and in the same time seal can also mean to close something ( e.g., closing a container , closing a bottle , closing an envelop etc.) . Akhir could be a synonym to it, not the only word in this row .
If we stick with the Qur'an, we'll find the truth, do you agree?[/quote]
Yes , I do agree.
That is the reason I wanted to clarify you that according to verse 33.40 Muhammad was the last Prophet ( Nabi) but not the last messenger (Rasool) . The verse 7:35 that you mentioned is expressing that messengers (Rasool) may can come after Prophet Muhammad , which I agree , as Prophet Muhammad was not the last messenger . Bring a verse in which we may can find information that more Nabi will come after Muhammad .