No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus

[Colt]

Notice that there isn't anyone here to defend the Romans. Sure, lets blame everything on the Romans! They were asked to settle a purely religious dispute among the Jews.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Because Pompeii was preserved in an instant.

A volcano can preserve more than God?

 

[Colt]

A volcano can preserve more than God?

God doesn't seem to preserve old documents. Humans preserve sentimental things.

Notice in the Bible where God was said to have written in stone with his own finger but 5 minutes after Moses Got back to camp he smashed those tablets????

 

[pearl]

This seems like a long-winded way of saying that you agree with me: the Bible was not faithful to actual history.

But that does not mean that all is non-history but that history was not of primary concern, nor was providing an accurate biography. There needs to be more familiarity with the formation of the Gospels.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

God doesn't seem to preserve old documents. Humans preserve sentimental things.

Notice in the Bible where God was said to have written in stone with his own finger but 5 minutes after Moses Got back to camp he smashed those tablets????

In all honesty, is there a reason you feel some verifiably evil people like Romans, who used lead as a condiment, are morally absolved while some oppressed Middle Eastern people are obviously the bad guys?

 

[Colt]

In all honesty, is there a reason you feel some verifiably evil people like Romans, who used lead as a condiment, are morally absolved while some oppressed Middle Eastern people are obviously the bad guys?

Clearly you haven't read the Old testament scriptures that the Israelite wrote about themselves.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Clearly you haven't read the Old testament scriptures that the Israelite wrote about themselves.

Did they, though? Israel had a civil war and Judah wrote the story. It’s why it’s called Judaism and not Israelism. It’s like expecting the Confederate States to be honest about what the civil war was about.

 

[Colt]

Did they, though? Israel had a civil war and Judah wrote the story. It’s why it’s called Judaism and not Israelism. It’s like expecting the Confederate States to be honest about what the civil war was about.

I'm aware that the Jews (Judahites) always sought to defame and blacken the record of the northern Israelite (Ephraimites). I'm talking about the other atrocities written about in the Bible.

The Jews were given religious autonomy under occupation but required the Romans to carry out the death penalty handed down by the Sanhedrin court.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Jesus was seen walking, talking and eating food after the event of Cross, so nobody killed Jesus. The Jews did have all the intention of killing Jesus on the Cross, I understand. It was a case of an attempted murder of Jesus on the part of the then Jews, however. Right?

Jesus was tried, convicted, and executed by Romans. Christians sucking up to Romans blamed Jews.

Pilate (the Roman Official) had no intention to kill Jesus, an innocent man, so the event was managed in a way that Jesus survived a cursed death on the Cross, please. Right?
It becomes very clear from the Pauline-Gospels itself, as I understand, please. Right?

Regards
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65 Reasons to Believe Jesus Did Not Die on the Cross -Jews wanted him to be killed through crucifixion, so they can prove that Jesus is not a beloved of God, rather the curse of God is on him.

 

[Colt]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Jesus was seen walking, talking and eating food after the event of Cross, so nobody killed Jesus. The Jews did have all the intention of killing Jesus on the Cross, I understand. It was a case of an attempted murder of Jesus on the part of the then Jews, however. Right?


Pilate (the Roman Official) had no intention to kill Jesus, an innocent man, so the event was managed in a way that Jesus survived a cursed death on the Cross, please. Right?
It becomes very clear from the Pauline-Gospels itself, as I understand, please. Right?

Regards
____________

65 Reasons to Believe Jesus Did Not Die on the Cross -Jews wanted him to be killed through crucifixion, so they can prove that Jesus is not a beloved of God, rather the curse of God is on him.

No, his body (temple) died, the Son of God did not. He waited 3 days and returned as he said he would.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But that does not mean that all is non-history but that history was not of primary concern, nor was providing an accurate biography.

Again: you seem to be agreeing with me in a long-winded way. The author's agenda was more about furthering an antisemitic agenda (which they had for reasons you got into) than it was about being faithful to the truth.

There needs to be more familiarity with the formation of the Gospels.

I look forward to the day when the Gospels have negligible impact on the world, and they can be viewed as an optional historical curiosity.

 

[pearl]

Again: you seem to be agreeing with me in a long-winded way. The author's agenda was more about furthering an antisemitic agenda (which they had for reasons you got into) than it was about being faithful to the truth.

The author states his 'agenda';
"But these are written that you may [come to] believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name."

The antisemitism expressed is the life situation of the author's community, now officially a heretical cult, cut off from the Jews.

I look forward to the day when the Gospels have negligible impact on the world, and they can be viewed as an optional historical curiosity.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The author states his 'agenda';
"But these are written that you may [come to] believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name."

The antisemitism expressed is the life situation of the author's community, now officially a heretical cult, cut off from the Jews.

Again: you just seem to be rephrasing what I said. You don't seem to disagree with me.

Don't hold your breath.

Of course not. If the last 2000 have shown us anything, it's that there's nothing the Christian religion considers off-limits when trying to protect its own power.

There are many Christans in this world who would have absolutely no qualms with killing or committing other atrocities to keep their religion relevant.

 

[pearl]

Again: you just seem to be rephrasing what I said. You don't seem to disagree with me.

I think the basic difference is due to interpretation, of which I am a firm believer in biblical criticism, not any form of fundamentalist or literalist or apologetics. The theology, christology of the authors must be considered in the narratives used to convey belief.

There are many Christans in this world who would have absolutely no qualms with killing or committing other atrocities to keep their religion relevant.

True, but that is not the fault of the Gospels themselves, its private interpretation that twists a meaning to their own purposes.

 

[paarsurrey]

No, his body (temple) died, the Son of God did not. He waited 3 days and returned as he said he would.

There was no " Son of God ", only the "Son of May", I understand. Right?
And Mary was not a wife unto "God", please. Right?
Was she, please? Right?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That doesn't mean that all Jews killed Jesus.

My standard answer...
I wasn't even in the neighborhood

 

[Colt]

There was no " Son of God ", only the "Son of May", I understand. Right?
And Mary was not a wife unto "God", please. Right?
Was she, please? Right?

Regards

The Son of God and creator of our world incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth. He lived a largely autonomous life up until his public teaching. Even then this miraculous person was a mystery up until returning from apparent death on his own volition as he said that he would. He returned to his place on high leaving much speculation and conjecture about his identity. His religion changed into a religion about him.

 

[danieldemol]

The Son of God and creator of our world incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth. He lived a largely autonomous life up until his public teaching. Even then this miraculous person was a mystery up until returning from apparent death on his own volition as he said that he would. He returned to his place on high leaving much speculation and conjecture about his identity. His religion changed into a religion about him.

You need to hold what you wrote about Jesus in front of a mirror, because from your opening sentence you just waffled on "about him".

In my opinion.

 

[Colt]

You need to hold what you wrote about Jesus in front of a mirror, because from your opening sentence you just waffled on "about him".

In my opinion.

There was a religion of Jesus that he taught, lived and preached. That religion was focused on his Father and a whole souled commitment to do his will. He enlisted others such as the apostles to do the same. But after he left, his followers made a religion about him.

If that isn't clear to you then stand in front of your own mirror and read it over and over to yourself until you do understand it.

 

[danieldemol]

There was a religion of Jesus that he taught, lived and preached. That religion was focused on his Father and a whole souled commitment to do his will. He enlisted others such as the apostles to do the same. But after he left, his followers made a religion about him.

If that isn't clear to you then stand in front of your own mirror and read it over and over to yourself until you do understand it.

Yeah you just expounded on your final sentence which was contrary to the entire rest of your post.

In my opinion.