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no faith vs wrong faith

Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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which is worse not believing in God/Allah?YWH or beiliving in the wrong form of God or another god(s) all together.

Pascals wager always made me wonder if the safe bet is on God because if you wrong so what but i god exist and you do not believe then the consequences are dire, but what about choosing the wrong god? Wouldn't atheism be the safe bet this way you do not risk offending the god by worshiping the wrong one?
 
ohhcuppycakee

ohhcuppycakee

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I used to have a strange view when I was Christian. I believed those who believed in a Higher Power reached Him, while those who believed in nothing just rotted in the ground. Of course, I have different beliefs now. I think believing in the wrong god is better than believing in nothing.
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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ohhcuppycakee said:
I used to have a strange view when I was Christian. I believed those who believed in a Higher Power reached Him, while those who believed in nothing just rotted in the ground. Of course, I have different beliefs now. I think believing in the wrong god is better than believing in nothing.
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Maybe but what if the god in question turns out to be an evil jealous god instead of Allah?

what about polytheist? or pantheist? or left handed pathers?

is agnosticism better then atheism? is it better or worse then choosing the wrong god?

also can one fake it till they make it? can i not believe, but go through the motions? would that count?
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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Jayhawker Soule said:
What do you mean by "worse"? What is worse:
  • 3 + 4 = 6, or
  • 3 + 4 = 8
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Which is more of an affront against god. denying Gods existence, or worshiping a rival/false god(s)

assume for argument sake that the person in question lives a good moral life whos only sin is disbelieving or wrong belief.
ohh i get your point your saying wrong is wrong? both situations send one to hell?
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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Jayhawker Soule said:
The assumption being that either or both would be taken as an affront.
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how is that an assumption? seriously do the words , "Thou shalt have no other gods before me," have no meaning to you. Or howabout, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments"

If an atheist were able to keep the sabbath i see no reason why he would be worse off then some one who made the wrong choice.
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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Iti oj said:
which is worse not believing in God/Allah?YWH or beiliving in the wrong form of God or another god(s) all together.

Pascals wager always made me wonder if the safe bet is on God because if you wrong so what but i god exist and you do not believe then the consequences are dire, but what about choosing the wrong god? Wouldn't atheism be the safe bet this way you do not risk offending the god by worshiping the wrong one?
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Its best not to be double minded.Right and left brain functioning in harmony is better than when they are in disagreement.Faith is whats created in someone when the mind functions correctly.Fear causes separation which creates a delusional reality.Left brain is where analizing and skepticism creates separation from the right.
Logic is the long way around trying to bring harmony in the mind from a left brained point of view and seems impossible to achieve.Faith is the process of just letting go and they funtion in harmony automatically.
Once they are in harmony then you see all of creation as harmony as well and even intuitively get to know the creator.
My scifi version of religion!:D
 
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Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Walkntune said:
Its best not to be double minded.Right and left brain functioning in harmony is better than when they are in disagreement.Faith is whats created in someone when the mind functions correctly.Fear causes separation which creates a delusional reality.Left brain is where analizing and skepticism creates separation from the right.
Logic is the long way around trying to bring harmony in the mind from a left brained point of view and seems impossible to achieve.Faith is the process of just letting go and they funtion in harmony automatically.
Once they are in harmony then you see all of creation as harmony as well and even intuitively get to know the creator.
My scifi version of religion!:D
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intuitivly ifeel no such existent. logically i see no evidence no of said god being worthy.
anyways i do not think i understand your reply to my question.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Iti oj said:
how is that an assumption? seriously do the words , "Thou shalt have no other gods before me," have no meaning to you. Or howabout, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments"

If an atheist were able to keep the sabbath i see no reason why he would be worse off then some one who made the wrong choice.
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Oh my ... BIG PRINT.

You must be right then, so I'll leave you to your little rant.
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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Jayhawker Soule said:
Oh my ... BIG PRINT.

You must be right then, so I'll leave you to your little rant.
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I ask an honest and open question and give reasons for why i ask it and why i think its a valid question and why i think their might be a reasonable answer. How was my point not valid? how is my question not valid? If i am missing something can you point it out.

Does scripture even speak of atheist? or just people of the wrong faith?


Where do you find my logic, questions, or verification, faulty?
 
Penumbra

Penumbra

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***Mod Post***

This thread has been moved to the General Religious Debates area. Debates should not occur in DIRs.​
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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Jayhawker Soule said:
I think it means that the tradition arose out of (or, if you prefer, that the author had) a primitive and intensely anthropomorphic and patriarchic understanding of God.
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do you think the commandments or other scriptures have any validity then? The commandments mention choosing the wrong path and not picking none at all does that mean atheist are in the clear while those of other faiths are not>? or is their other scripture or interpenetration of the commandments that apply to this?
 
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