The spiritually minded cultivate the spiritual works of Galatians 5:22-23
Physically minded people are those of Galatians 5:19-21
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No overwhelming historical proof: Why I doubt Jesus
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The spiritually minded cultivate the spiritual works of Galatians 5:22-23
Physically minded people are those of Galatians 5:19-21
What is your definition of one's spirit ?
What happened to Adam at death, but according to Genesis 3:19 Adam returned to the dust of the ground.
In other words, Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life.
To me, a person can Not ' return' to a place he never was before.
When we speak of ' spirit ', in the Bible, we do speak of angelic spirits ( angels )
But we can also speak of school spirit and know we are Not talking about angels.
We speak of a high-spirited horse and know we are Not talking about horse angels.
Rather, like a pep rally is designed to create lively school spirit, or a high-spirited horse is also lively, then one's spirit is one's life force.
As with Adam, at death, his life's force or spirit died out with the rest of Adam
To me, when Adam sinned he unplugged himself from his life's source (his God) then Adam slowly wound down like a fan unplugged from its power source until all of Adam totally stopped in death.
In Scripture the only hope of future life is called 'resurrection' - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Some are resurrected to a 'spiritual dimension' ( aka heaven - Hebrews 9:24; Revelation 20:6 )
But the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy future ' physical resurrection ' back to life on Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection....
Jesus believed that Scripture is religious truth - John 17:17 - and that scriptural truth sets one free from what is religiously false.
Jesus will bring an end to enemy death on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 22:2; Revelation 21:4-5; Matthew 5:5
Try Matthew 6:9-10 with the parallel account at Luke 11:2-4
Didn't Jesus say we should pray for God's kingdom to come ?______
Jesus did Not say to pray to ' take me away' to the kingdom, or pray ' take me up to the kingdom', but rather for the kingdom to come.
Kingdom come and God's will (His purpose) be done right here on Earth as 'it' (God's purpose) is done in Heaven.
According to Scripture, there is peace in heaven. No war, No crime, No violence, No pollution, No sickness and No death in heaven.
So, then we are praying for those same good heavenly conditions to come and exist right here on our God-given Earth - Psalms 115:16
So, then the solution is God's kingdom government replacing all kingdoms or governments against God's kingdom rule - Daniel 2:44
1. Before Moses, Noah lived. Noah could have taken the writings of Adam - Genesis 5: 1 - and others with him on the Ark.
Everything perishable would have been destroyed in the Flood except for what Noah took along with him. ( book of the generations )
2. The other nation's Flood accounts have a similar theme of a few survivors from a great flood.
3. Not set up to fall, because Adam was warned in Advance - Genesis 2:17
4. The forbidden tree is mentioned in connection to the knowing of evil. The evil was: death - Genesis 2:17
So, once they stole and ate from God's one-and-only tree they came to know ' death ' ( evil )
If they did Not die, they would still be alive today. They died within that ' day ' of a 1,000-year time frame. Genesis 5:5; Genesis 5:27
5. The consequence of sin was that perfect Eve would No longer be physically perfect and the results of imperfection was painful.
Outside of paradisical Eden the ground was No longer beautiful as in Eden which made it harder for Adam to cultivate.
6. The forbidden tree stood for God's law of the land. How many trees on Earth ? _______ Out of all the trees on Earth only one tree belonged to God. If you have a generous neighbor who had many fruit trees and said you could come over anytime you wanted and have as much fruit as you wanted except for one particular tree, would you consider your neighbor as a bad neighbor or an ungenerous neighbor ?_______
7. By comparing Satan to using a serpent would just mean a lowly position for Satan, and that by saying Satan would ' eat dust ' would mean that he will ' bite the dust ', so to speak he will die - Genesis 3:14. In other words, Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
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Please could you quote one teaching of Jesus concerning the above?
............................... and you offer the opening of the Lord's prayer, and Jesus didn't actually bother to repeat Psalms 115:16 and Daniel 2:44 to make all clear to his audience?
Nor did this lesson explain why there is not more peace on Earth, just promised that it would be different at some point?
Jesus was speaking to a Jewish peasantry explaining that the Lord's original Laws and ways (discarded by the Hellenised upper class, the priesthood) could return, that they would once again receive their fair shares, their daily expectations of bread, food, sustenance, for tgheir God to forgive them for any sins committed in their struggle, to not be tempted to back down, but to be delivered from the priesthood's evil ways, but once they had restored the old ways and laws to be prepared to forgive all.
I think that your interpretation is incorrect..... but that's just me.
Thank you for your reply. True, Jesus did Not reference Psalms 115:16, but didn't Jesus promise an earthly inheritance at Matthew 5:5? ______
Jesus did give his followers an illustration in connection to God's kingdom being a royal government at Luke 19:11-13; Luke 19:14-15.
See also Mark 13:34 because Jesus is the nobleman who journeys to a far country (heaven) before he would return in Kingdom glory.
- Matthew 25:31-33
JustWondering
Jerk
Except there is no mention of dense cloud cover, so a biblical interpretation fail for you. Genesis 1:5, and god called the light day, and the darkness he called night. Sure as heck sounds like they're talking about the sun to me. Also, according to genesis, the rest of the stars in the universe did not come into existence until after god created plant life. Sure sounds like mythology to me.
Yes, the light finally came reaching earth's surface from the already existing previously created sun.
Isn't the word ' darkness ' ( as in dense cloud cover ) found at Genesis 1:2 ? ______
Where on earth did you find a Scripture saying the stars came into existence ( created ) after God created plant life ?
JustWondering
Jerk
Genesis 1:1, In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth. Heaven in this context means the sky (you know, the heavens). However, at this point nothing is in the heavens. Until genesis 1:3, when god says let there be light. Where does the earths light come from? That would be the Sun. There is no talk of clouds parting to let light in, NONE.
God creates plant life on the "third day", god places lights in the sky to divide day from night and to act as signs, on the "fourth day".
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Of course the chances of "superstitions" entering into religion have got to be very high. But, in the Bhagavad Gita it is Krishna that talks about reincarnation. So, has this been added to the Gita? And then about Jericho, read the Book of Joshua. Is it "God's Word" or something the people wrote telling how their God helped them kill all the people of Jericho?
Yes, let there be light. Let the existing light start to reach earth's surface. That would allow enough light for grass,etc. to grow.
Would a science teacher disagree about the order of events happening ?
The created lights were already placed in the sky - Genesis 1:16-18
God did Not ' create ' on day 3 the lights ( sun, moon and stars ) but God ' made ' the existing lights do something.
The existing ' lights ' now had a job to do. As you mentioned they would divide day from night.
They would be made to serve as signs for the seasons, days and years - Genesis 1:14; Genesis 8:22
As parents can create (procreate) a child, then the parents can 'make' the created child do something, such as be 'made' to sit in a chair.
JustWondering
Jerk
I'm not interested in doing mental gymnastics with you. I read it as it is written. You read apologetics into it because otherwise you have to face the fact that it was an invention of ignorant, superstitious men and not the handed down words of an invisible sky king.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Does it sound like Adam, Noah or even Moses wrote Genesis? Not to me, it sounds like someone who came after all of them wrote it. Or maybe like the one theory says, that there were several writers and then it all got condensed down to what we have now. And about the tree, sure sounds like spiritual symbolism to me. Really, a tree that imparts knowledge of good and evil? I know it is what you are taught to believe, that the Bible is a historical account of what happened, but it don't sound like it to me...Too many strange and mystical things. Just like the writings of all the other ancient religions... and ancient mythology. What was it Aaron's cane turned into a snake? Samson got his strength because he had long hair? Who was it Elijah flew in a chariot? This makes for great spiritual stories to teach spiritual lessons, but history? I doubt it.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That's what the whole movement was about, an attempt to bring the old ways, laws and protections for the people, BACK TO EARTH. The Priesthood had forsaken all for Hellenisation. See what John the Baptist said about them. This was not about the Romans, it was about the quisling upper class, the priesthood.
Luke gave an illustration....... remind me, was Luke a Jew? I forget. The Israelite people were the children of their God. Their God had layed down laws, 612 that we know about. Luke's whole spin on the Jesus story was to support Paul's Christ and Heaven, and Jesus knew about neither, didn't even know of the word 'Christ'. True?
Oh no he did not! How have you spun 'Nobleman' out of 'Son-of-Man?' Jesus was a peasant of the 2nd Order, a handworker. All Jewish people were children-of-their-God, ergo any Jewish man could be called SonofMan.
The verse explains, 'Get Ready!' for the coming struggle, but that was a struggle upon Earth.
Yes and no. The physical text has not been altered but the meaning of it has been changed by scholars and priests to mean other than what was intended. The Bahai view is that its the commentaries and interpretations that are incorrect with regards to reincarnation.
"No revelation from God has ever taught reincarnation; this is a man-made conception. The soul of man comes into being at conception.”
Excerpt From: Hornby. “Lights of Guidance.”
As to Jericho.
God's actions are conditional
"If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them". (Jeremiah 18:8)
The Amalek( committed atrocities against the Israelites and attacked them many times)
“in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.” (Deuteronomy 12.31)
God purged the Amalek for this reason
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 20:16-18)
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Yes, the sky, not the stuff IN the sky.
I've read this theory too, btw. Sounded good when I was younger but when you read other creation myths, you realize it's more of a literary trope issue than anything else.
Which scriptures? All of them or just the ones "we" decided to publish as a single work of literature?
The people he complained about thought they had the scriptures and actually did, because their religion kinda is the one that wrote it, of course.
No rebellion leading to Satan's fall and the fall of lots of angels? That didn't happen?
How well did Paradise work during the Garden of Eden story?
Except there was only a law book in existence by the time of King Josiah, so ... no ... not really. It's more like the king needed sacred literature to give to the public during his reforms and the other books were derived from elements of the law book.
If you tell a kid not to touch a gun or they'll die, they'll touch it as soon as your back is turned because humans are impulsive and curious.
I mean, I'm a nurse. Do you know how frustrating it is to have someone who doesn't speak or speak English and "agrees" with whatever you say and then freaks when you do something because they were just saying they understood to be polite? Just because you say you understand doesn't mean you do.
That can't be, because it's specifically called the tree of knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL, so if evil is death, then they should also have life, as it is good, but there was another tree called Tree of Life, so THAT can't be it....
Do you have an abridged bible? There were TWO trees with magic powers.
Do religious denominations that emphasize God's supposed favor count as promoting meekness? Are they all going to get a rude awakening?
Supposedly he was a doctor. I know Greeks and Romans had them, but did ancient Judah have doctors with actual medicine instead of chanting?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If no revelation from God taught reincarnation, then you tell me what's Krishna talking about here? Lord Krishna tells Arjuna in the Bhagavad-gita, “As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.” (BG 2.13)
“Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy!” (BG 4.5)
I don't see a problem, because I think it is people, spiritual people, making most of this stuff up. Whether they saw a vision or had a revelation, it was all affected by what their culture already thought was true. They built a religion that suited their way of life. They came up with multiple Gods that controlled and ruled the universe. You said Christians should have joined Islam? As if every religion was an improvement and the next step to humanities spiritual growth. In your picture here then Hindus should have become Abrahamites, who then followed Moses, then they should have become Zoroastrians, who then should have followed the latest prophet Buddha, then the whole world of Buddhists should have become Christians, who then should have joined Islam, then for 19 years should have become followers of the Bab and then finally Baha'u'llah? As if each religion was a progression? They weren't. From the prophets themselves the teachings are different. No interpretation mess ups, the direct quotes from the "manifestation." And seriously, Abraham was a manifestation? What religion did he start? Even with Hinduism, it wasn't started by Krishna. So you're close, but this is not a game of horseshoes.
Why not just say all the religions of the past had some good and some bad. All had corrupt leaders along the way. All had some off the track interpretations. All had questionable writings that might have been altered. But now, you could say, our prophet, wrote his own books. We have direct teachings from God right to the prophet. Here is the truth of what God wants from us. All of you were kinda right, but also kinda of wrong. Let our new teachings show you the way. The way to peace and happiness on Earth. Why not say something like that, instead of trying to make all religions from one God and in some kind of progression. They're not.
Didn't the Constitution of the Mosaic Law have hygiene laws to follow ?
Luke was a physician according to Colossians 4:14
Adam and Eve were Not children as they were created as adults. Because of Adam's downfall is why we are imperfect and impulsive.
Yes, life was good in Eden, and the conditions to retain that good life was Not to break God's Law by eating from God's tree.
No, Not an abridged Bible. Yes two (2) trees mentioned the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and bad.
Besides those two trees there were other trees on Earth. How many trees are on Earth? Only one tree belonged to God.
Please notice which of the trees mankind will once again see on Earth according to Revelation 22:2
Luke was a gospel writer - Luke 19:11-13 - and Jesus is the nobleman in that illustration.
In the parallel account at Mark 13:34 there Mark refers to Jesus as the Son of man ( Jesus was Son of man, Not just son of man )
Yes, get ready for the coming struggle (Revelation 7:14), a struggle upon Earth (Mark 13:35-37) when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming struggle - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 - before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill - Matthew 5:5
Wasn't Rahab and her family residents of Jericho ?
Didn't Rahab and her family survive the destruction of Jericho ?