No respect

[Jimmy]

How come young earth creationists are considered whack but if someone communes with a deceased loved one or a spirit everybody’s ready to show respect? Strange. They’ll probably get respect down the road like all other issues that eventually get looked at. Soon it will no longer be cool to think of the young earth creationist as fruity or out of touch with reality.

 

[Stevicus]

How come young earth creationists are considered whack but if someone communes with a deceased loved one or a spirit everybody’s ready to show respect? Strange. They’ll probably get respect down the road like all other issues that eventually get looked at. Soon it will no longer be cool to think of the young earth creationist as fruity or out of touch with reality.

Is it the same people doing both?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

How come young earth creationists are considered whack but if someone communes with a deceased loved one or a spirit everybody’s ready to show respect? Strange. They’ll probably get respect down the road like all other issues that eventually get looked at. Soon it will no longer be cool to think of the young earth creationist as fruity or out of touch with reality.

This one is fairly easy. It is a matter of the claims, and the evidence. With spirits, people from all over the world in many eras, and across many religions, all claim to have seen or otherwise interacted with spirits of the dead. Their claims are that these beings are insubstantial, and visit with only specific persons.
Finding evidence of insubstantial entities, who only visit specific persons, at random times is difficult to prove or deny. PLEASE NOTE that many claims about spirits moving things around the room, or taking actions here in the physical world, have been thoroughly refuted.
Add onto this, the cultural mores of smacking down the depressed and grieving family members of the recently deceased who often make these claims , and you could see how this subject is treated with kids gloves, even in the scientific community.

However, in the case of young earth creationists (YECs)….they have stated that the mountains and the rocks, and all life, and the oceans, etc….are all roughly 7000 years old.
This is undeniable bull-hockey, since many many many studies can be, and have been, run to judge whether this relatively precise claim in the physical real world is true or not. Every study done has shown that the claim is absolutely false. And not just false but off by mamy thousands of multiples of the YEC claims. Also, only a small subset of Christians (as far as I know) have made this absurd and repeatedly disapproven claim. So, Mock Away!

 

[Jimmy]

This one is fairly easy. It is a matter of the claims, and the evidence. With spirits, people from all over the world in many eras, and across many religions, all claim to have seen or otherwise interacted with spirits of the dead. Their claims are that these beings are insubstantial, and visit with only specific persons.
Finding evidence of insubstantial entities, who only visit specific persons, at random times is difficult to prove or deny. PLEASE NOTE that many claims about spirits moving things around the room, or taking actions here in the physical world, have been thoroughly refuted.
Add onto this, the cultural mores of smacking down the depressed and grieving family members of the recently deceased who often make these claims , and you could see how this subject is treated with kids gloves, even in the scientific community.

However, in the case of young earth creationists (YECs)….they have stated that the mountains and the rocks, and all life, and the oceans, etc….are all roughly 7000 years old.
This is undeniable bull-hockey, since many many many studies can be, and have been, run to judge whether this relatively precise claim in the physical real world is true or not. Every study done has shown that the claim is absolutely false. Also, only a small subset of Christians (as far as I know) have made this absurd and repeatedly disapproven claim. So, Mock Away!

They might wanna start using kid gloves for young earth creationists as well. Ie. Some may believe earth and all of existence starts in 1980 and ends when a certain individual dies (savior) only to restart in 1980 making reunification with loved ones a reality. And on and on it goes in a cyclic fashion. So no I won’t mock away.

 

[Brickjectivity]

ow come young earth creationists are considered whack

Basically its because they are so often caught lying, have bad credentials and don't really have any business pretending their stuff is scientific. That's why.

but if someone communes with a deceased loved one or a spirit everybody’s ready to show respect?

Its actually more believable. Even I admit its within the realm of possibility, though I don't believe in a personal afterlife.

Soon it will no longer be cool to think of the young earth creationist as fruity or out of touch with reality.

It was never cool for me. Its not about being cool. Some people do follow trends though. Its not entirely stupid to do that, because you can make friends and get laid. We can't blame people for following trends in this confusing world.

 

[Ella S.]

I wonder if you're basing this off of my comment here in a different thread:

Transgenderism

but science declares its to do with being social. So when it spreads, like it did in Ancient Greece becoming normalised I think grooming can have something to do with it. Total load of crap. Except for Quora I’ve rarely encountered such ignorant comments, suppositions, and assumptions as you’re...

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If so, then I don't take creationism any less seriously than I take the belief that we can commune with the dead. I think they're both demonstrably false.

The difference in this context is that I appreciate someone who is attempting to use rational, evidence-based methods to arrive at their beliefs, even though I disagree with their conclusions.

Some creationists do this, too, and I treat them with the same candor when they do. Most creationists don't seem to care about evidence or rational argumentation at all, though. They use two tools like blunt instruments: baseless assertions and blatant denialism (or faux-"skepticism") regarding anything that calls those assertions into question.

The closest they tend to come to a rational argument is a fallacious appeal to the authority of their Church or whoever wrote or composed their religious scriptures. They don't use evidence or logic at all and, in fact, resist all attempts at introducing evidence and logic into the discussion.

In other words, I respect the methodology of parapsychologists and paranormal investigators more than I respect the methodology of creationists, because at least the former category is trying to be reasonable.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Speaking from my own experience, I was not always treated with respect when I first began using my mediumship and when I started researching and investigating the paranormal fifteen and a half years ago. Like other genuine psychic mediums and seasoned paranormal investigators, I've worked hard for years to establish my credibility and gain the respect of other people. It is something that I take very seriously and have devoted a lot of years to.

As a medium, I've tried to keep a low profile in real life and online in general in order to avoid drawing unwanted attention to myself and my family. I don't do public readings or approach random strangers and tell them I have a message for them from a deceased loved one. If I have a message for someone and believe they will be receptive to it, I will request a private conversation and ask that they keep my identity confidential. The majority of the time, I don't even give out my name, let alone any other information about myself. Also, I never give readings over the phone or online. I prefer to give a reading to someone in person. As a matter of fact, RF is the first social media platform on which I have ever discussed my mediumship and shared my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. Only a few people in my life are aware that I am a medium, and some of them are experienced paranormal investigators. On occasion, I'll be asked to come to a location where they're conducting an investigation to assist them with my mediumship.

So I have invested more of my time and money in traveling to an unknown location (unknown to me until I arrive) to assist them in communicating with and interacting with any spirits present. Over the last fifteen and a half years, I've spent thousands of dollars on ghost-hunting equipment and thousands more on travel to various haunted locations across the country (airline tickets, vehicle rentals, lodging, meals, and other incidental expenses). I've devoted countless hours to researching and investigating both well-known and rumored haunted locations across the country. I have also spent countless hours scrutinizing and reexamining all of the potential evidence I've collected during my investigations at these locations. As I said, I've worked hard for years establishing my credibility and earn respect as a medium and paranormal investigator. I take my mediumship and paranormal investigation very seriously.

 

[Jimmy]

Speaking from my own experience, I was not always treated with respect when I first began using my mediumship and when I started researching and investigating the paranormal fifteen and a half years ago. Like other genuine psychic mediums and seasoned paranormal investigators, I've worked hard for years to establish my credibility and gain the respect of other people.

As a medium, I've attempted to keep a low profile in real life and online in general in order to avoid drawing unwanted attention to myself and my family. I don't perform public readings or approach random strangers and tell them I have a message from a deceased loved one. If I have a message for someone and believe they will be receptive to it, I will request a private conversation and ask that they keep my identity confidential. The majority of the time, I don't even give out my name, let alone any other information about myself. Also, I never give readings over the phone or online. I prefer to give a reading to someone in person. As a matter of fact, RF is the first social media platform on which I have ever discussed my mediumship and shared my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. Only a few people in my life are aware that I'm a psychic medium, and some of them are experienced paranormal investigators as well. On occasion, I'll be asked to come to a location where they're conducting an investigation to assist them with my mediumship. So I've invested my time and money in traveling to an unknown location (unknown to me until I arrive) to assist them in communicating with and interacting with any spirits present.

Over the last fifteen and a half years, I've spent thousands of dollars on ghost-hunting equipment and thousands more on travel to various haunted locations across the country (airline tickets, vehicle rentals, lodging, meals, and other incidental expenses). I've devoted countless hours to researching and investigating both well-known and rumored haunted locations across the country. I've also spent countless hours scrutinizing and reexamining all of the potential evidence I've collected during my investigations at these locations. As I previously stated, I have spent years establishing my credibility and earn respect as a psychic medium and paranormal investigator.

Thanks for sharing

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Thanks for sharing

You're welcome.

 

[Friend of Mara]

How come young earth creationists are considered whack but if someone communes with a deceased loved one or a spirit everybody’s ready to show respect? Strange. They’ll probably get respect down the road like all other issues that eventually get looked at. Soon it will no longer be cool to think of the young earth creationist as fruity or out of touch with reality.

Depends. Evangelicals wouldn't take kindly to someone communing with a spirit or doing something rather esoteric that falls far outside of the Christian aesthetic. But I think I can picture the kind of person that you are talking about. A generally left leaning non-religious but generally spiritual probably hippy possibly vegan democrat. Scorn for oppressive nonsensical Christian propaganda but strangely accepting of the equally silly non-christian practice.

In this particular instance it probably comes down to history. Christianity is the primary powerholder both politically and culturally with a strong history of abuse in both distant and recent history in this country. But the more esoteric spiritual practice probably doesn't fit any of these molds. It will be seen as "harmless" or "cultural".