No room for magic?

[Jimmy]

In your opinion what are the odds of something existing outside the realms of scientific truths? Not likely? Likely? More than likely? You can save your comments about your deep definition of scientific truth. Keep it simple. Use common sense.

lemme clarify for u die hard scientific types. im talkin bout something that could never be proved by science.

oh i know youll say well then of course. yeah yeah we all know that. you know what i mean. try to get out of your scientific box for a minute. or dont see if i care. haha

im talkin bout flying elephants. but the kind that no one proves haha does that simplify it for ya? haha

Im glad u think im Friendly haha

 

[The Hammer]

High odds of course.

 

[Stevicus]

In your opinion what are the odds of something existing outside the realms of scientific truths? Not likely? Likely? More than likely? You can save your comments about your deep definition of scientific truth. Keep it simple. Use common sense.

I would look at it more as a matter between what is in the realm of known science versus what has yet to be discovered.

 

[Jimmy]

High odds of course.

too bad

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Not yet. Magic as it is defined in many fantasy novels is the ability to control natural forces purely by using the mind. And the only way we have able to do this is with Neuralink, an invention by Elon Musk, that will probably take 20-30 years to implement to the general public.

But stuff like World of Warcraft, The Elder Scrolls Online, and controlling nature through and through from the mind would be extremely dangerous and I'm glad we aren't able (yet) to be able to wield such power.

Imagine something like Sandy Hook happening but with someone's mind instead of guns to make it happen. Maybe somethings should be left untouched for now, and only exist for certain people ... for now. Although I'll admit right now that Elder Scrolls is pretty awesome, but unlike video games if you shoot off a fireball with your hands the trees won't regenerate after you leave.

Maybe in a parallel Universe, my friend. Or a digitized space where virtually nothing can be harmed. We aren't worthy of such power yet.

 

[Jimmy]

I would look at it more as a matter between what is in the realm of known science versus what has yet to be discovered.

more than likely the things i speak of that could exist could never be proven scientifically anyway, but none the less theyre real.

 

[Jimmy]

Not yet. Magic as it is defined in many fantasy novels is the ability to control natural forces purely by using the mind. And the only way we have able to do this is with Neuralink, an invention by Elon Musk, that will probably take 20-30 years to implement to the general public.

But stuff like World of Warcraft, The Elder Scrolls Online, and controlling nature through and through from the mind would be extremely dangerous and I'm glad we aren't able (yet) to be able to wield such power.

Imagine something like Sandy Hook happening but with someone's mind instead of guns to make it happen. Maybe somethings should be left untouched for now, and only exist for certain people ... for now. Although I'll admit right now that Elder Scrolls is pretty awesome, but unlike video games if you shoot off a fireball with your hands the trees won't regenerate after you leave.

Maybe in a parallel Universe, my friend. Or a digitized space where virtually nothing can be harmed. We aren't worthy of such power yet.

so much for common sense. haha

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Current scientific knowledge? Certain.
Scientific process? Kinda hard to answer.

 

[Jimmy]

Current scientific knowledge? Certain.
Scientific process? Kinda hard to answer.

i can tell youre speaking of the undiscovered. not really what i meant. its ok if you cant think outside your scientific box. Ton of people cant here.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

so much for common sense. haha

I once paralyzed my body for two hours because of a thought I had. Don’t underestimate the power of the mind.

 

[Jimmy]

I once paralyzed my body for two hours because of a thought I had. Don’t underestimate the power of the mind.

mind is powerful but your response was way off subject as is most responses here. people dont know how to keep things simple here. they like to make things difficult. they like to be bookish and acedemically correct. Down to earth is scarce on this website for certain. no wonder I only pop in once a year or longer.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

mind is powerful but your response was way off subject

Magic is a loaded term as it is.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

I'll take a stab, although if you ask some theoretical mathematicians and theoretical physicists who happen to be proponents of the multiverse theory, I'm pretty sure they would claim that your flying elephant not only happens, but happens in an infinite amount of different ways, and an infinite amount of similar ways... Not a fan of that theory. Not certain if it lacks truth, also.

Q: Such as the creation theory being the actual reality?
A: I mean... I suppose you might as well skip the boring billions if you can just snap your fingers... But I say "unlikely" because it's too easy and the work of laziness, which I would assume is not a trait of God.

Q: Such as curses, magic spells, insignias of power?
A: If enough belief is applied, maybe? As for the skeptic that I am, again I answer, "unlikely".

Q: Such as ghosts and demons?
A: The effects of piloerection make me nervous of what may be the truth. None the less, I will answer, "unlikely" (though admittedly only to comfort myself with hope).

 

[Spirit of Light]

In your opinion what are the odds of something existing outside the realms of scientific truths? Not likely? Likely? More than likely? You can save your comments about your deep definition of scientific truth. Keep it simple. Use common sense.

lemme clarify for u die hard scientific types. im talkin bout something that could never be proved by science.

oh i know youll say well then of course. yeah yeah we all know that. you know what i mean. try to get out of your scientific box for a minute. or dont see if i care. haha

im talkin bout flying elephants. but the kind that no one proves haha does that simplify it for ya? haha

Im glad u think im Friendly haha

More than likely.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

i can tell youre speaking of the undiscovered. not really what i meant. its ok if you cant think outside your scientific box. Ton of people cant here.

Bahaha.

1) My first point was on the undiscovered.
2) My second point was that it's hard to answer regarding things outside the scientific process.

But by all means, shove me into whatever box suits you, and congratulate yourself on having an 'open mind'.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Current scientific knowledge? Certain.
Scientific process? Kinda hard to answer.

In fact, our current scientific method is a tool we have developed and honed over the centuries, and can thus be expected to further transform into the future. Possibly eventually being unrecognizable from the current processes utilized.

Here is the opinion of one of the You Tube creators I follow kind of regarding the subject matter:

 

[Sedim Haba]

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C. Clarke

 

[Mock Turtle]

mind is powerful but your response was way off subject as is most responses here. people dont know how to keep things simple here. they like to make things difficult. they like to be bookish and academically correct. Down to earth is scarce on this website for certain. no wonder I only pop in once a year or longer.

Truly grateful - given you might not want to be responsible for all the heart attacks so resulting.

 

[HonestJoe]

lemme clarify for u die hard scientific types. im talkin bout something that could never be proved by science.

How do you imagine something could exist yet be somehow impossible to apply scientific method to?

Note that this is distinct from human beings having the ability to do it. Scientific method is a general concept so there is no reason only humans could apply it. The only characteristics a phenomena would require to be subject to scientific method is for it (or it's effects) to be consistently observable and measurable in some manner.

If a piece of string is sealed inside a box, someone standing outside the box wouldn't be capable of measuring it but someone inside the box could. Sometimes you have to think outside and inside the box at the same time.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

How do you imagine something could exist yet be somehow impossible to apply scientific method to?

Note that this is distinct from human beings having the ability to do it. Scientific method is a general concept so there is no reason only humans could apply it. The only characteristics a phenomena would require to be subject to scientific method is for it (or it's effects) to be consistently observable and measurable in some manner.

If a piece of string is sealed inside a box, someone standing outside the box wouldn't be capable of measuring it but someone inside the box could. Sometimes you have to think outside and inside the box at the same time.

If I understand correctly, consciousness has been surprising the young minds trying to tackle such a concept, and teaching that not all things are easily or capable of being explained or categorized. The field/practice that best understands consciousness is probably an anesthesiologist, and an honest one of them would admit that he/she only knows how to turn off, start up, or increase/decrease the frequency of the brain waves with certain medicines. If we take in account that we developed the Glasgow Coma Scale, an individual could conclude that we "can consistently observe and measure consciousness" as per your prerequisites, yet remain incapable of having an agreed and non-contradictory definition, let alone an understanding of the concept... Observe the following link:

Consciousness - Wikipedia