No Second Referendum

[Rival]

The Cabinet has agreed that there will be no second referendum on the E.U., as asked by the recent petition.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

"The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon."

I'm personally not surprised by this. But who will trigger Article 50? Who knows.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The Cabinet has agreed that there will be no second referendum on the E.U., as asked by the recent petition.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

"The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon."

I'm personally not surprised by this. But who will trigger Article 50? Who knows.

Good. Another referendum would complicate things and make another independence referendum up here harder to justify. Let those parts of the UK who voted to Leave go and let those parts of the UK who voted to Remain stay. Good luck with finding someone to actually back their Brexit rhetoric up with actions - especially when doing so will cost them pretty much everything.

 

[YmirGF]

Good. Another referendum would complicate things and make another independence referendum up here harder to justify. Let those parts of the UK who voted to Leave go and let those parts of the UK who voted to Remain stay. Good luck with finding someone to actually back their Brexit rhetoric up with actions - especially when doing so will cost them pretty much everything.

Then again, if the EU begins to unravel, do you really want to be a part of that? Their steerage of the European economy has hardly been stellar. It's not like the world is going suddenly refuse to deal with the UK. Though, it is true that some hotheads in Brussels might try to make things difficult as a caution to others who are dissatisfied with their leadership.

In regards to the OP. Cameron made one incredible blunder, I'm confident saying he has learned from his previous massive mistake.

 

[Laika]

The Cabinet has agreed that there will be no second referendum on the E.U., as asked by the recent petition.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

"The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon."

I'm personally not surprised by this. But who will trigger Article 50? Who knows.

I am really grateful that we won't have to go through another EU referendum. It's almost a relief. Given the mood, it is only likely to become more bitter, a strange and distorted nightmare festering out in public. Do we really want to give Nigel Farage have any more airtime? It is better to "get on with it" and get it over with than have to relive it all over again.

I can't say I am thrilled with the result but it's time for a government that can weather the storm, come what may. It's not business as usual; we are making history now that will affect generations to come. We better get it right.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Then again, if the EU begins to unravel, do you really want to be a part of that? Their steerage of the European economy has hardly been stellar.

If the EU goes down while we're in or out we'll still be independent. I'd prefer us to be part of an economic alliance with standardised trade regulations but if not I'm sure we can manage.

It's not like the world is going suddenly refuse to deal with the UK.

Very true - trade with other nations won't just evaporate into thin air. That said, a lot of our trade deals of late have been made in through the EU - or negotiated to incorporate allowing nations like China access to the Common Market through Britain in exchange for us being allowed to trade with aforementioned third parties. If we leave the EU we'll have to renegotiate those trade deals from a far weaker position than before we left. Same goes for access to the Common Market (assuming the EU will permit us such at all) which will necessitate acceptance of the principle of Free Movement - which will have made most Leave votes pointless.

Though, it is true that some hotheads in Brussels might try to make things difficult as a caution to others who are dissatisfied with their leadership.

I don't envy European politicians right now. They have a choice between treating the UK with kid gloves and possibly encouraging other isolationist protectionist movements because of their soft touch in response to Brexit; or they can come down hard on us like a tonne of bricks, deny us access to the Common Market, move the border from Calais to Dover etc and risk whipping Europe's far-right movement into a frenzy because 'they're acting tyrannical to poor Britain!'.

In regards to the OP. Cameron made one incredible blunder, I'm confident saying he has learned from his previous massive mistake.

I'm going to guess that "one incredible blunder" was holding this referendum in the first place? If not, what did you mean?

 

[Mindmaster]

Then again, if the EU begins to unravel, do you really want to be a part of that? Their steerage of the European economy has hardly been stellar. It's not like the world is going suddenly refuse to deal with the UK. Though, it is true that some hotheads in Brussels might try to make things difficult as a caution to others who are dissatisfied with their leadership.

In regards to the OP. Cameron made one incredible blunder, I'm confident saying he has learned from his previous massive mistake.

I assure you that the USA is perfectly happy to start doing more business with the UK.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It would certainly be a failure to try it again right now anyways. It would be better to first let Scotland, Ireland, Wales, etc., decide what they are going to do, dissolve the UK if that is the way it turns out, and then work towards getting England back into the EU.

 

[Mindmaster]

If the EU goes down while we're in or out we'll still be independent. I'd prefer us to be part of an economic alliance with standardised trade regulations but if not I'm sure we can manage.




Very true - trade with other nations won't just evaporate into thin air. That said, a lot of our trade deals of late have been made in through the EU - or negotiated to incorporate allowing nations like China access to the Common Market through Britain in exchange for us being allowed to trade with aforementioned third parties. If we leave the EU we'll have to renegotiate those trade deals from a far weaker position than before we left. Same goes for access to the Common Market (assuming the EU will permit us such at all) which will necessitate acceptance of the principle of Free Movement - which will have made most Leave votes pointless.



I don't envy European politicians right now. They have a choice between treating the UK with kid gloves and possibly encouraging other isolationist movements because of their soft touch in response to Brexit; or they can come down hard on us like a tonne of bricks, deny us access to the Common Market, move the border from Calais to Dover etc and risk whipping Europe's far-right movement into a frenzy because 'they're acting tyrannical to poor Britain!'.



I'm going to guess that "one incredible blunder" was holding this referendum in the first place? If not, what did you mean?

I predict they are going to go soft on UK just because they already know there is steam rising from the waters in that corner of the map. They know if they're nice there is even a chance you might come back, etc. For all the doomsayers, I think it' s absolutely silly -- UK can easily support itself without other intervention. There probably will be some growing pain, but after that, I'm sure you will be in a better place. The Bank of England is a strong system, and people love the pound sterling on the trading floor.

 

[Rival]

and then work towards getting England back into the EU.

How many times??

England. Does. Not. Want. To. Be. In. The. E.U.

Most of the 'Leave' votes came from England.

Give it a rest.

Sorry, but your comment just sounds so patronising when nearly all leave votes came from England. We know better than you do what we want for our land.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I predict they are going to go soft on UK just because they already know there is steam rising from the waters in that corner of the map. They know if they're nice there is even a chance you might come back, etc. For all the doomsayers, I think it' s absolutely silly -- UK can easily support itself without other intervention. There probably will be some growing pain, but after that, I'm sure you will be in a better place. The Bank of England is a strong system, and people love the pound sterling on the trading floor.

It'll certainly be interesting to see if things play out that way. When you say "UK can easily support itself without other intervention", what do you mean specifically?

 

[David1967]

The Cabinet has agreed that there will be no second referendum on the E.U., as asked by the recent petition.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

"The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon."

I'm personally not surprised by this. But who will trigger Article 50? Who knows.

Definitely curious times we live in. I'm anxious to see how this affects Great Britain as the political climate here in the USA seems to be very similar at the moment. That aside I hope all works out for the best.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How many times??

England. Does. Not. Want. To. Be. In. The. E.U.

Most of the 'Leave' votes came from England.

Give it a rest.

Sorry, but your comment just sounds so patronising when nearly all leave votes came from England. We know better than you do what we want for our land.

Except only about half of those who voted wanted to leave.
And, I wasn't saying what is better, but rather commenting that, strategically speaking, now is a poor time to launch a second referendum.

 

[Rival]

Except only about half of those who voted wanted to leave.
And, I wasn't saying what is better, but rather commenting that, strategically speaking, now is a poor time to launch a second referendum.

You don't understand. The half that voted to Leave was English people and Wales. The majority of Remain votes came from Scotland and Ireland.It sounds like you think UK = England. The blue areas are pro-Leave. Yellow is Remain.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I'm amused by the people who think they can have another referendum because they didn't like the result of the first one. If they don't like the result of the next general election, will they ask for a re-run of that? And what if the second vote produced the same result? There's a political party in Argentina called the Partido Intransigente: perhaps they could start a UK branch.


Even saying that only just over half the electorate voted for Brexit forgets that any political party would love more than 50% of the vote in a general election!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I'm amused by the people who think they can have another referendum because they didn't like the result of the first one. If they don't like the result of the next general election, will they ask for a re-run of that? And what if the second vote produced the same result? There's a political party in Argentina called the Partido Intransigente: perhaps they could start a UK branch.

While I agree that there shouldn't be a third referendum (this one was actually the second one on membership of the European community we've ever had ), the obvious flaw to your analogy is that we do actually hold multiple general elections. We don't receive the result of one general election then spend the rest of our time telling those who voted for the opposition to shut up and 'accept the will of the majority' forever more.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm amused by the people who think they can have another referendum because they didn't like the result of the first one.

That's why we call them "Liberal Democracies." And, really, it's more reassuring that people are caring rather than being apathetic towards their political system. Our system becomes ripe for the taking when people stop caring. Just look at America, our voting population is a minority, which means we keep getting stuck with the same crap over and over. If even just a majority of those who don't vote even though they are eligible did vote went for a third party candidate, it would break the two-party death grip.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How many times??

England. Does. Not. Want. To. Be. In. The. E.U.

Most of the 'Leave' votes came from England.

Give it a rest.

Sorry, but your comment just sounds so patronising when nearly all leave votes came from England. We know better than you do what we want for our land.

Yea. England was fine before the EU. It will be fine after.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Yea. England was fine before the EU. It will be fine after.

What is so fine about a failing economy, a drop in the Sterling faster than any period in the last 9 years, having to renegotiate (at the cost of the tax payer) billions of pounds worth of trade deals with not only EU countries but asian, african and american nations, having a leadership crisis and a possible election (again at the cost of the tax payer) and an upward spike in racist attacks against people from particular backgrounds?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg fella.

 

[Brickjectivity]

As a USA man I am impressed. We won't let our member states go very easily.

There is no article 50 mechanism for our states. For us any separation would require a new constitutional amendment -- either 2/3 vote in Congress (both houses) with ratification by 75% of the states -- or 2/3 of the states would have to call for a special convention of all the states and ratify such an action therein. (Article V of our constitution)

 

[GoodbyeDave]

That's why we call them "Liberal Democracies."

You've missed the point. These people are not talking about having another referendum in the future, just like having another general election. They want another vote in the immediate future, so that poor deluded people like me can have the opportunity to change our minds and do what they told us to!