No to Fake Meat

[Ignatius A]

You should write a novel!

Yeah, I'll call it "2084" by Yakuda.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

Because this is the govt controlling how much and when you eat meat. We'll hear about how cows are bad for the environment, and how bad red meat is for your cholesterol. The "experts" will tell us how this helps save the planet and how lab grown meat has had all the "bad stuff" engineered out of it. Eventually you will get a higher "social score"by eating lab grown meat which will allow a bigger electricity ration so you can actually charge and drive the only kind of vehicle they let you drive, which BTW is also better for "the environment".

Meat is a money market. Cattle ranchers, etc have the market.
To be part of that market you have to make something new.

 

[Ignatius A]

"California has already banned ICEs after 2035"

There is a catch to that...

ICE's won't be banned after 2035.
The sale of new ICE's will be banned after 2035.

"executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035"

Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | Governor of California

Executive order directs state to require that, by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles Transportation currently accounts for more than 50 percent of…

www.gov.ca.gov

That's what I meant but thanks for the clarification. The point is they are yapping about de santis "limiting choices" while gruesome newsome is telling people they won't be able to buy an ICE after 2035. I guess having a D after your name makes it ok to do.

 

[Ignatius A]

Meat is a money market. Cattle ranchers, etc have the market.
To be part of that market you have to make something new.

Lab grown meat?

 

[We Never Know]

Lab grown meat?

Yes IMO

Oil companies have the market for ICE's.. Car market

To get in on that market you have to create something new.

EV's and lab grown meats are more expensive to buy.

If its all about saving earth, make them more affordable to everyone.

Now would I like to see less pollution? Yes

But I won't change where I get my meat.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes IMO

Oil companies have the market for ICE's.. Car market

To get in on that market you have to create something new.

EV's and lab grown meats are more expensive to buy.

If its all about saving earth, make them more affordable to everyone.

Now would I like to see less pollution? Yes

But I won't change where I get my meat.

EVs are hardly new and they still rely on fossil fuels for electricity. Oil will be in the hands of very few people who will live far better lives than the rest of us.

 

[Secret Chief]

Why do we need lab grown meat if we have cows?

just one reason:

"Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture​

More than three-quarters of global agricultural land is used for livestock, despite meat and dairy making up a much smaller share of the world's protein and calories."​

- Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture

 

[We Never Know]

EVs are hardly new and they still rely on fossil fuels for electricity. Oil will be in the hands of very few people who will live far better lives than the rest of us.

I never said EVe's are new. I said...
Oil companies have the market for ICE's.. Car market
To get in on that market you have to create something new

 

[Secret Chief]

Why do we need "plant based" meat if we have cows? Why do we need "vegan" cheese if we have cows?

Are you saying you don't know why vegetarians and vegans choose the diet that they do?

 

[We Never Know]

Are you saying you don't know why vegetarians and vegans choose the diet that they do?

Plant based meat is an oxymoron.

Why not just call it plant burgers, plant sausage, etc.

 

[Secret Chief]

Plant based meat is an oxymoron.

Why not just call it plant burgers, plant sausage, etc.

I agree, and indeed the products are not marketed as such unless it's to avoid confusion and help with identification. (At least not here in the UK). It's a relatively new market (as a mass appeal choice) so I think the naming is in its infancy. Plus the meat and dairy has tried to stifle the competition sometimes (eg by laying claim to the word milk).

I was just not bothering to say...

 

[Ignatius A]

just one reason:

"Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture​

More than three-quarters of global agricultural land is used for livestock, despite meat and dairy making up a much smaller share of the world's protein and calories."​

- Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture

Thank you for answering. Then reduce agricultural land use to that share. Nothing you said explains why meant has to be made in a lab.

 

[The Hammer]

Yeah, I'll call it "2084" by Yakuda.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

Why should I, you wouldn't see it even if I pointed it out.

But the novel sounds interesting. No lie.

 

[Ignatius A]

Plant based meat is an oxymoron.

Why not just call it plant burgers, plant sausage, etc.

Because no one would buy such nonsense. It's ok though children are being indoctrinated with the belief that plant burgers are better than actual burgers. It's coming.

 

[We Never Know]

I agree, and indeed the products are not marketed as such unless it's to avoid confusion and help with identification. (At least not here in the UK).

I was just not bothering to say...

Here is one example of how its marketed in the US

 

[Secret Chief]

Because no one would buy such nonsense. It's ok though children are being indoctrinated with the belief that plant burgers are better than actual burgers. It's coming.

Here in the UK a lot of adults are buying this nonsense, including me. Have done so for 40 years, so I guess I was indoctrinated young.

 

[Ignatius A]

Why should I, you wouldn't see it even if I pointed it out.

But the novel sounds interesting. No lie.

So you can't tell me where I'm wrong. What you did was a variation of the, "If I have to explain it to you you wouldn't understand" silliness. It just means you can't explain it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I didnt provide any examples of anything unless you can point to where I did.

We are going to start slow. First let me ask, why do we need meat grown in a lab if we have cows?

Let the market figure that out. Or are you a communist and want the government to decide that?

 

[Ignatius A]

Here in the UK a lot of adults are buying this nonsense, including me. Have done so for 40 years, so I guess I was indoctrinated young.

You were. It's not new.

 

[Secret Chief]

Here is one example of how its marketed in the US

I edited my post a bit. Anyhoo, here's the contents of a shelf in my freezer...