Noah's Ark

[Oryonder]

what i would say is that we need to look for evidence of the flood account in those very ancient civilisations. The fact is we do find such evidence that those civilizations do have legends of a similar event. If none of those civilizations had such legends, then perhaps we'd need to ask why, but the fact that they do have the same stories indicates that their ancestors were aware, or were at least deeply affected, by such a story.

Manu is the character in the Hindu myth found in the Satapatha-Brahmana.


Utnapishtim is the flood survivor mentioned in the Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh. He is the one who tells Gilgamesh the story of the flood. As found in Epic tablet XI, known as the Flood Tablet, Utnapishtim recounts instructions given to him concerning the flood: “Tear down (this) house, build a ship! Give up possessions, seek thou life. . . . Aboard the ship take thou the seed of all living things.”

Yü is the survivor of the flood in Chinese myths called “Period of the Great Ten”. He is said to be an ancient ruler of China who was “the conqueror of the Great Flood. Yü channeled flood waters into rivers and seas to resettle his people.” Some have noted the similarities in the old Sumerian king list because this myth speaks of an age where 10 emperors/kings ruled until there was a great flood which which brought in a new era.

Ziusudra is the survivor mentioned in the Sumerian myth about the flood. He is described as a pious, a god-fearing king.... and the Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations, which came later, were influenced by the Sumerians so there are links.

the South American Aztec mythology spoke of four previous ages, during the first of which the earth was inhabited by giants. (That is another reminder of the Nephilim, the giants referred to in the Bible at Genesis 6:4.) It included a primeval flood legend in which “the waters above merge with those below, obliterating the horizons and making of everything a timeless cosmic ocean.” The god controlling rain and water was Tlaloc. However, his rain was not obtained cheaply but was given “in exchange for the blood of sacrificed victims whose flowing tears would simulate and so stimulate the flow of rain.”

the Maya in Mexico and Central America had their Flood legend that involved a universal deluge, or haiyococab, which means “water over the earth.”

I have read these different flood stories and it is pretty cool that so many civilizations have these stories in one form or another.

This is not support for Genesis story anymore than Genesis is support for the Hindoo or Egyptian version.

There are many different for how this might have occurred. They have found numerous submerged architecture (advanced architecture) showing that cities were once there. These cities must have existed prior to the last ice age prior to a rise in sea levels <14,000 years ago.

Folks in most countries have people living by the sea. Obviously as sea levels rose these cities were wiped out. That ancients attributed the destruction of their cities by water as an act of God is not far fetched at all.

So we can find evidence that these cultures may not be as old as the flood because in all these legends the flood wiped out those who lived before them. According to their accounts, their civilizations are founded 'after' the event. And we need to also consider that the dating of such cites may not necessarily be accurate.
The fact that these stories are being retold by 'seemingly' unrelated nations may be evidence that these nations are not as 'unrelated' as we might think.

It depends if you go by the Bible or not. If you go by the geneologies then Noah would have exited the Ark roughly between 2400-2200 BC.

We do not need dating methods to know of continuous civilizations throught these time periods.

Noah for example was still alive while Abraham walked the earth. Abraham talks about various peoples that existed ... names Kinds and such are given in Exodus .. some of which we have shown to exist.

We have continuous histories of Kings from numerous civilizations.. This king reigned for 50 years ..is father for 30 years, this guy for 60 years .. and so on.

This matches up to other societies because they had corrospondence .. and the liniages line up.

The pottery styles line up with certain periods .. customs .. writing .. and so forth.

There volcanic eruptions that covered large areas such that we can find the ash from the eruption in the archaeology of different cultures and know that these existed at the same time period.

When you put it all together we are left with a pretty good picture of what was happening and dating to within 10-20 years in many cases.

What we do not have is a "flood layer" by the way which pretty much proves the flood did not happen in the time period suggested by the Bible.

Take Hamurrabi for example who was a Babylonian king that ruled for 42 years 1792 to 1750 BC

The Code of Hammurabi was one of several sets of laws in the ancient Near East.[7] The code of laws was arranged in orderly groups, so that everyone who read the laws, would know what was required of them.[8] Earlier collections of laws include the Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC), while later ones include the Hittite laws, the Assyrian laws, and Mosaic Law.[9] These codes come from similar cultures in a relatively small geographical area, and they have passages which resemble each other.[10]

Code of Hammurabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These were not primative peoples .. Hammurabi's code for example had welfare for widows and the poor. If a farmer had a bad crop year he got "debt relief" for the next year .. (Yes .. they had a banking system)

Hammurabi worshiped the same Gods similar to the Sumerians (Anu) Code of Hammurabi: 1750 BC

The Sumerians went through a chaotic period from roughly 2200-2100 (a dark age) after which they had split into two cultures the Assyrians and the Babylonians. Both spoke the same language and wrote the same (Akkadian) and we can read the texts of both cultures.

Prior to this period we haver Sargon of Akkad (think Akkadian) who united the city states of mesopotamia into the worlds first known empire around 2400-2350.

Enter Noah and Abraham. Abraham was born around 1970 BC. Noah does not die until about 70 years after Abraham.

This puts the flood around the time of Sargon.. Opps. Where on earth did all these city states come from .. where is the flood layer that wiped them out .. and what about all the sites that we find that go way further back .. king lists.. writing .. and so forth.

We also have continuous Egyptian culture along with numerous other cultures in Africa, China, Europe . and so on. Different races as well which makes zero sense.

What is even more strange is that if Noah and his son's were alive through this whole period of time .. all the people living at that time would know of Noah and sons as the fathers of all humanity.

We have all kinds of stories from these people about where they came from, and many of these cultures are into ancestor worship. NONE .. mention that Noah was still alive.

What if these civilisations developed after the flood? Then we would not expect to see a gap in their existence but we certainly would expect to see their legends and myths include that story.... and that is exactly what we find

Im not sure what you are trying tro say here. These civilizations would have had to develop after the Flood if a flood happened.

The problem is that the Biblical date for the flood is only 2400-2200BC and this is not that far back.

My above discussion does not rely on any chemical dating techniques.

If we look at the flood story from a scientific perspective it is absolutely impossible.
The pounds of food needed to feed the animals, getting the animals to the Ark, Survival of the animals after exiting the Ark. How do we get two polar bears from the Arctic ? .. How does the spectacled bear make it back to South America ?

This is crazy stuff.

If we go into dating techiniques such as ice core layers .. (accurate like tree rings) we quickly find that the ice is over 200,000 years old. The age given by the layers is also corroberated with two other chemical dating techniques.

 

[Pegg]

I have read these different flood stories and it is pretty cool that so many civilizations have these stories in one form or another.

This is not support for Genesis story anymore than Genesis is support for the Hindoo or Egyptian version.

It certainly could point toward a common ancestor, i have no doubt about that.

There are many different for how this might have occurred. They have found numerous submerged architecture (advanced architecture) showing that cities were once there. These cities must have existed prior to the last ice age prior to a rise in sea levels <14,000 years ago.

Folks in most countries have people living by the sea. Obviously as sea levels rose these cities were wiped out. That ancients attributed the destruction of their cities by water as an act of God is not far fetched at all.

no its not far fetched. And there were two researchers who studied the sea floor of the Mediterranean sea and found that the core samples showed a date that corresponds with the date of noahs flood.,..the core samples showed that the Mediterranean sea was once a shallow lake. So the flooding in the area occurred a lot more recently then 14,000 years ago.

It depends if you go by the Bible or not. If you go by the geneologies then Noah would have exited the Ark roughly between 2400-2200 BC.

Noah for example was still alive while Abraham walked the earth. Abraham talks about various peoples that existed ... names Kinds and such are given in Exodus .. some of which we have shown to exist.

We can work out the exact year based on his birth. He was born in 2970 B.C.E
and he was 600 yrs old when the deluge began. So the flood occured in 2670bce.
And he died in the year 2320 bce.
Genesis 9:28 And Noah continued to live three hundred and fifty years after the deluge. 29 So all the days of Noah amounted to nine hundred and fifty years and he died

Abraham was born 2 years later, or 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.

We have continuous histories of Kings from numerous civilizations.. This king reigned for 50 years ..is father for 30 years, this guy for 60 years .. and so on.
This matches up to other societies because they had corrospondence .. and the liniages line up.

surely you don't really think the Egyptian kings lists are a reality proving an uninterrupted lineage?

All the ancient civilizations have a fragmentary written history, all of them.
The Egyptian king lists or annals as found on the Palermo Stone & the Turin papyrus are both very fragmentary. They give a list of kings and their reigns from the “Old Kingdom” into the “New Kingdom” but some of the kings rule for 45,000 years!

These are the same lists that modern Egyptologists use to give a 'history' of the Egyptian civilization. I really think we need to take it with a grain of salt and not be too hasty to discredit the bible in favor of the fragmentary archeological evidence from such nations.

Take Hamurrabi for example who was a Babylonian king that ruled for 42 years 1792 to 1750 BC
Code of Hammurabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These were not primative peoples .. Hammurabi's code for example had welfare for widows and the poor. If a farmer had a bad crop year he got "debt relief" for the next year .. (Yes .. they had a banking system)

Im not sure how this discredits the bible account and timing of events for Noahs flood though. Babylon originated with Ancient 'Babel'. It was after Noahs time.

The Sumerians went through a chaotic period from roughly 2200-2100 (a dark age) after which they had split into two cultures the Assyrians and the Babylonians. Both spoke the same language and wrote the same (Akkadian) and we can read the texts of both cultures.

So the Assyrians and Babylonians have a common ancestor in the Sumerians. and the Sumerians have a common ancestor in Nimrod who was the founder of one of the four cities forming “the beginning of his kingdom.” as mentioned Genesis 10:10 "Accad" (Akkad) which has been identified with the ancient city of Agade.
The name Akkad is also applied to the whole northern region of what later was called Babylonia.

So these ancient nations do not discredit the bible account...rather they uphold the bible account as factually based on real people who lived at the time.

If we look at the flood story from a scientific perspective it is absolutely impossible.
The pounds of food needed to feed the animals, getting the animals to the Ark, Survival of the animals after exiting the Ark. How do we get two polar bears from the Arctic ? .. How does the spectacled bear make it back to South America ?

This is crazy stuff.

If we go into dating techiniques such as ice core layers .. (accurate like tree rings) we quickly find that the ice is over 200,000 years old. The age given by the layers is also corroberated with two other chemical dating techniques.

the earth may also be a very different place to what it was before the flood. Do we know what the atmosphere or the radiation levels were back then? I dont think they know that information, so when they are dating artifacts, they base it on our current atmosphere and rate of decay. If the radiation levels in earths atmosphere today are different to what they were before the flood, then we can be sure that the rate of decay may have been different. And keep in mind that there is loads more radiation in our atmosphere due to the many atomic bombs and radioactive waste that has been dumped into it over the past 100 years.

 

[Oryonder]

no its not far fetched. And there were two researchers who studied the sea floor of the Mediterranean sea and found that the core samples showed a date that corresponds with the date of noahs flood.,..the core samples showed that the Mediterranean sea was once a shallow lake. So the flooding in the area occurred a lot more recently then 14,000 years ago.

You should give a link to these researchers you speak of but it really does not matter.

I was not referring to submerged mediterranian cities. There are submerged cities all over the world Japan, India, US and so on. These are dated to the time of the end of the last ice age .. 12-14000 years ago.

We can work out the exact year based on his birth. He was born in 2970 B.C.E
and he was 600 yrs old when the deluge began. So the flood occured in 2670bce.
And he died in the year 2320 bce.
Genesis 9:28 And Noah continued to live three hundred and fifty years after the deluge. 29 So all the days of Noah amounted to nine hundred and fifty years and he died

Abraham was born 2 years later, or 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.

Your math is off. If Noah was born in 2970 BCE and was 600 when the flood hit .. that puts the flood at 2370 BCE

Not that it matters but Noah was still alive when Abraham was Born according to the Masoretic Chronology which gives Abrahams Birth in 1976 BCE and Noah's Death in 1918 BCE Chronology of the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said .. depending on how long you give from captivity to Exodus the Flood dates from 2400-2200 BCE.

All the ancient civilizations have a fragmentary written history, all of them.
The Egyptian king lists or annals as found on the Palermo Stone & the Turin papyrus are both very fragmentary. They give a list of kings and their reigns from the “Old Kingdom” into the “New Kingdom” but some of the kings rule for 45,000 years!

You do not sound very familiar with ancient history. It sounds like you are quoting from some apologist source that has picked out a few silly items found ancient writings and tried to debase all of archeaology and history based these things.

Pre-Flood king lists do indeed have extended lives . .but only in the way distant past tot he time of the creation stories of these folks.. Basically the Book of Genesis for the Sumerians. Which is where the Book of Genesis in the Bible was taken from.

In the case of the Polermo stone you refered to where kings ruled 45000 years .. you are confusing myth stories with history. The kings the stone refers to supposedly ruled at a time that predates the rise of the God Horus !

There are literally libraries full of Assyrian, Hittite, Babylonian, and Sumerian Tablets that give a quite detailed history .. not just at one city but at many different cities .. and from many cultures.

The Joint Expedition's work in Trenches TA and TB on Tablet Hill yielded a valuable sequence of houses with artifacts in situ. This sequence, especially the pottery, dating from the Akkadian through the Achaemenid period (2300-500 B.C.) became a standard of reference for all of Mesopotamia [McCown and Haines 1967].

Index of "The Akkadian language pages"

 

[Pegg]

Your math is off. If Noah was born in 2970 BCE and was 600 when the flood hit .. that puts the flood at 2370 BCE

Not that it matters but Noah was still alive when Abraham was Born according to the Masoretic Chronology which gives Abrahams Birth in 1976 BCE and Noah's Death in 1918 BCE Chronology of the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said .. depending on how long you give from captivity to Exodus the Flood dates from 2400-2200 BCE.

duh! yep sorry, 2370 bce for the flood.

 

[Oryonder]

duh! yep sorry, 2370 bce for the flood.

No worries. Have a look at that Link I gave you at the bottom of the page of the last post. I think you will find it fascinating.

 

[gnostic]

yes and dont forget the name is Adamu

no one doubts that mesopotamians migrated to Israel and brought with them their legends.

its just about unanimously accepted by all scholars

Not necessarily migrations, outhouse.

Stories can spread through trades, as well as migrations.

By mid-2nd millennium BCE, the Babylonian version of Gilgamesh and other myths, including the Flood, have spread east and west. The Gilgamesh epic (Old Babylonian version) was popular enough to reach the Hittite kingdom and Egypt, because there are fragments of tablets. Fragments were also found in Ugarit and Megiddo.

The epic of Gilgamesh was favorite subject for scribes and scribe schools in different Mesopotamian cities. Young apprentice scribes often use the epic to learn to read and write.

The Babylonian goddess Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna) was exported and adopted by kingdoms or citystates outside of Mesopotamia. The cult of Ishtar reached as far as Egypt. Similarly, other Mesopotamian deities were adopted in Syria and Canaan, like Enlil and Adad. Other kingdoms and cultures sometimes adopt or adapt foreign religion.

 

[Looncall]

It certainly could point toward a common ancestor, i have no doubt about that.



no its not far fetched. And there were two researchers who studied the sea floor of the Mediterranean sea and found that the core samples showed a date that corresponds with the date of noahs flood.,..the core samples showed that the Mediterranean sea was once a shallow lake. So the flooding in the area occurred a lot more recently then 14,000 years ago.


We can work out the exact year based on his birth. He was born in 2970 B.C.E
and he was 600 yrs old when the deluge began. So the flood occured in 2670bce.
And he died in the year 2320 bce.
Genesis 9:28 And Noah continued to live three hundred and fifty years after the deluge. 29 So all the days of Noah amounted to nine hundred and fifty years and he died

Abraham was born 2 years later, or 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.



surely you don't really think the Egyptian kings lists are a reality proving an uninterrupted lineage?

All the ancient civilizations have a fragmentary written history, all of them.
The Egyptian king lists or annals as found on the Palermo Stone & the Turin papyrus are both very fragmentary. They give a list of kings and their reigns from the “Old Kingdom” into the “New Kingdom” but some of the kings rule for 45,000 years!

These are the same lists that modern Egyptologists use to give a 'history' of the Egyptian civilization. I really think we need to take it with a grain of salt and not be too hasty to discredit the bible in favor of the fragmentary archeological evidence from such nations.




Im not sure how this discredits the bible account and timing of events for Noahs flood though. Babylon originated with Ancient 'Babel'. It was after Noahs time.




So the Assyrians and Babylonians have a common ancestor in the Sumerians. and the Sumerians have a common ancestor in Nimrod who was the founder of one of the four cities forming “the beginning of his kingdom.” as mentioned Genesis 10:10 "Accad" (Akkad) which has been identified with the ancient city of Agade.
The name Akkad is also applied to the whole northern region of what later was called Babylonia.

So these ancient nations do not discredit the bible account...rather they uphold the bible account as factually based on real people who lived at the time.






the earth may also be a very different place to what it was before the flood. Do we know what the atmosphere or the radiation levels were back then? I dont think they know that information, so when they are dating artifacts, they base it on our current atmosphere and rate of decay. If the radiation levels in earths atmosphere today are different to what they were before the flood, then we can be sure that the rate of decay may have been different. And keep in mind that there is loads more radiation in our atmosphere due to the many atomic bombs and radioactive waste that has been dumped into it over the past 100 years.

If there was a world-wide flood, there would certainly be signs of disruption everywhere, all dating to the same time. No such signs have been found. There was no such flood.

Unless you can conclusively answer this objection, you cannot honestly claim that the noachian flood happened as described in the bible.

Vague handwaving and silly apologetics will not do. Give us definite data and reasoning.

Your comments about radioactivity are fatuous in the extreme. As a professional working with radioactivity, I find them disgusting.

 

[outhouse]

Not necessarily migrations, outhouse.

Stories can spread through trades, as well as migrations.

By mid-2nd millennium BCE, the Babylonian version of Gilgamesh and other myths, including the Flood, have spread east and west. The Gilgamesh epic (Old Babylonian version) was popular enough to reach the Hittite kingdom and Egypt, because there are fragments of tablets. Fragments were also found in Ugarit and Megiddo.

The epic of Gilgamesh was favorite subject for scribes and scribe schools in different Mesopotamian cities. Young apprentice scribes often use the epic to learn to read and write.

The Babylonian goddess Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna) was exported and adopted by kingdoms or citystates outside of Mesopotamia. The cult of Ishtar reached as far as Egypt. Similarly, other Mesopotamian deities were adopted in Syria and Canaan, like Enlil and Adad. Other kingdoms and cultures sometimes adopt or adapt foreign religion.

true

not always migrations.

in this case you had migrations though after 1200 BC and you had influence after the temple fell.

 

[outhouse]

duh! yep sorry, 2370 bce for the flood.

well then you have a huge problem to overcome.

civilizations in China and Egyptians had writings and there was no break in their writing or civilizations at all. India showed no break in their civilization at that time.


please peg let the fantasy go and realize ARK stands for A.ct of R.andom K.indness LOL

 

[Dan4reason]

Creationism is in large part rooted in the belief that the events described in Genesis actually happened up to and including a Global flood that wiped out all humanity except Noah, his three sons, and their wives.

The Geneology given in the Bible dates the end of the flood to roughly 2100-2400 BC.

How do creationists reconcile the problems related to this story ?

Archeaology tells us that there were continuous societies throughout this period in China, Africa, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Europe, South America and so on.

How is it possible that these numerous societies comprised of diverse races existed throughout the time period of the flood when all but Noah and family were supposedly wiped out.

Even if the date is off by hundreds of years it is still not possible for genetic diversity and to have created these different races in such a short period of time. Some cultures such as the Sumerians and Egyptians are continuous from 3500 BC (no gap where everyone was wiped out).

Why is it necessary to believe in such a literal interpretation of the Bible such that one has to subvert logic and reason to maintain ones beliefs ?

I agree that this story is ludicrous. How was Noah able to feed and give the animals water, and clean up their poop and pee every day?

 

[Oryonder]

I agree that this story is ludicrous. How was Noah able to feed and give the animals water, and clean up their poop and pee every day?

There was link to a video posted earlier in this thread that gives the amount of food that would be required to feed individual species for a year. ( The time on the Ark was roughly half a year so divide by two).

Two Elephants consume 365,000 pounds of food a year and 36,500 gallons of water.

[youtube]I225Vcs3X0g[/youtube]
Atheist Comedy - The Great Flood - YouTube

Water is not problem for the first 40 days but what about the next 5 months ?

As for the food it would be hard to imagine providing food for just the Elephants nevermind the other 9000 mammals, 12000 reptiles, and 17,000 birds, 5000 anphibials and over 1 million insects.

All this on a boat about 1/10 th of the size of the Titanic !

Then of course we have the problem of what do all these animals eat when they exit the Ark ??

Sillyness x 10

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Water is not problem for the first 40 days but what about the next 5 months ?

They certainly wouldn't lack for water. I'm not sure just how fast 9.23M of rain per hour would have to be coming down but given that anything over 50mm is considered extreme rain I'd be guessing quite fast. Likely fire-hose fast.

 

[Oryonder]

They certainly wouldn't lack for water. I'm not sure just how fast 9.23M of rain per hour would have to be coming down but given that anything over 50mm is considered extreme rain I'd be guessing quite fast. Likely fire-hose fast.

It only rained for 40 days. For the other 110+ days they would have been in big trouble.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

It only rained for 40 days. For the other 110+ days they would have been in big trouble.

I don't agree, if you added 4.5 Sextillion Litres of fresh water to the oceans it should reduce the salt content enough to be drinkable. I put the resulting water at an average of 1.07% salinity (which is brackish). Salt water being denser than freshwater should mean taking water from the surface would have been reasonably safe.

Edit: Actually, slightly less. It'd be 0.88% average, forgot to account for the water already present, duh!

 

[Pegg]

If there was a world-wide flood, there would certainly be signs of disruption everywhere, all dating to the same time. No such signs have been found. There was no such flood.

70% of the earth is covered in water.....all over. That in itself is evidence of a flood in my eyes.

Tasmania (situated south of the bottom of Australia) is not an island. It is actually a part of the main continent of Australia, but it broke off and is separated by a vast sea of water. Evidence of a flood? Of course it could be.

most of the world is now broken into many different pieces that look like the may fit together...the earth was originally one piece of land, now it is broken up into pieces and separated by bodies of water all over the place. Evidence of a flood? Of course it can be.

cities found under the oceans...evidence of a flood. Absolutely.


dating methods 100% accurate? You know the answer to that one.

 

[Dan4reason]

I don't agree, if you added 4.5 Sextillion Litres of fresh water to the oceans it should reduce the salt content enough to be drinkable. I put the resulting water at an average of 1.07% salinity (which is brackish). Salt water being denser than freshwater should mean taking water from the surface would have been reasonably safe.

Edit: Actually, slightly less. It'd be 0.88% average, forgot to account for the water already present, duh!

So now how do you bring the salinity back to current levels?

 

[Dan4reason]

70% of the earth is covered in water.....all over. That in itself is evidence of a flood in my eyes.

I have a question. Where did the water to flood the earth come from and where did it go after the flood was over?

Tasmania (situated south of the bottom of Australia) is not an island. It is actually a part of the main continent of Australia, but it broke off and is separated by a vast sea of water. Evidence of a flood? Of course it could be.

Evidence that Tasmania was part of Australia?

most of the world is now broken into many different pieces that look like the may fit together...the earth was originally one piece of land, now it is broken up into pieces and separated by bodies of water all over the place. Evidence of a flood? Of course it can be.

What force could have pushed the continents thousands of miles from each other? I say it was continental drift and that takes hundred of millions of years.

cities found under the oceans...evidence of a flood. Absolutely.

In the distant future Venice will be submerged. Islands are starting to disappear today. Cities sink for time to time.

dating methods 100% accurate? You know the answer to that one.

Yup. They are only 99% accurate.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

So now how do you bring the salinity back to current levels?

Never said you could. I only said the salinity wouldn't have been lethal for those on the ark.

 

[Pegg]

I have a question. Where did the water to flood the earth come from and where did it go after the flood was over?

the scriptures say that there was a heavenly ocean situated above the earth which was released...and there were water tables below the earths surface that broke forth from underground.

I imagine that the waters 'beneath' the land are what caused the land to break apart, and the waters above added to the deluge so that the land became completely covered. And because the crust of the earth is so thin, the weight of the waters may have caused great changes to the shape and form of the land.

When everything settled, the waters sank back into the water table and the rest drained into the lakes and rivers and out into the ocean thus creating a larger ocean then the earth had previously.

 

[tumbleweed41]

the scriptures say that there was a heavenly ocean situated above the earth which was released...and there were water tables below the earths surface that broke forth from underground.

I imagine that the waters 'beneath' the land are what caused the land to break apart, and the waters above added to the deluge so that the land became completely covered. And because the crust of the earth is so thin, the weight of the waters may have caused great changes to the shape and form of the land.

When everything settled, the waters sank back into the water table and the rest drained into the lakes and rivers and out into the ocean thus creating a larger ocean then the earth had previously.

And that is where you leave every bit of scientific credibility and delve into the supernatural.

What you have basically admitted with your "Heavenly ocean" is you have no science backing your claims, only goddidit.