Noahs Ark

[Autodidact]

He is the source. Psalms 36:9 shows Jehovah to be the source of life.
“Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.” Psalms 90:2. Our minds cannot fully grasp the infinite. Time, space, and God have no beginning and no end. Jesus called his father the "only true God" (John 17:3). He is the source of all creation. Revelation 4:11 says: “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

You probably need to start a thread to discuss this.

But try to think. If I don't accept the Bible, why would it be evidence of anything?

 

[Autodidact]

He is the source.

God is the source of God? Does that make any sense to you?

 

[Autodidact]

He is the source. Psalms 36:9 shows Jehovah to be the source of life.
“Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.” Psalms 90:2. Our minds cannot fully grasp the infinite. Time, space, and God have no beginning and no end. Jesus called his father the "only true God" (John 17:3). He is the source of all creation. Revelation 4:11 says: “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

I don't know if you missed the point or chose to ignore it. Science supports the fact that material can come from energy. Scientists have demonstrated that matter and energy are closely related and that matter can be converted into energy and energy into matter. The Bible points to God as the source of that energy, whether you call it dynamic power or great power and mighty strength.

The Bible says that God created all things. Duh. 1. So what? 2. What does it have to do with whether an ancient hebrew family survived a global flood on a boat?

 

[Autodidact]

I won't respond to your personal slur. If science, as you say, has quite fully explained how the universe began, I must have missed it. Most thinking people agree a house is proof of a house builder. Effect proves cause. (Hebrews 4:13).
More than that, a house can tell us something about the builder. His skills, sense of aesthetics, attention to detail, foresight, and more. Created things, both small and great, speak volumes about their grand Creator.
Regarding tendons, which attach muscle to bone, Janine Benyus writes that the unraveled tendon “is almost unbelievable in its multileveled precision. The tendon in your forearm is a twisted bundle of cables, like the cables used in a suspension bridge. Each individual cable is itself a twisted bundle of thinner cables. Each of these thinner cables is itself a twisted bundle of molecules, which are, of course, twisted, helical bundles of atoms. Again and again a mathematical beauty unfolds.” It is, she says, “engineering brilliance.” (Biomimicry)

Each of these is a fascinating subject (about which you are wrong) and which richly deserves a thread to demonstrate that. I will be happy to join you there. This one is about a mythical flood.
A whole science field, biomimetics, is devoted to learning from the brilliant designs in nature and applying these to human design products.

Each of these is a fascinating subject (about which you are wrong) and which richly deserves a thread to demonstrate that. I will be happy to join you there. This one is about a mythical flood.

 

[Autodidact]

I won't respond to your personal slur. If science, as you say, has quite fully explained how the universe began, I must have missed it. Most thinking people agree a house is proof of a house builder. Effect proves cause. (Hebrews 4:13).
More than that, a house can tell us something about the builder. His skills, sense of aesthetics, attention to detail, foresight, and more. Created things, both small and great, speak volumes about their grand Creator.
Regarding tendons, which attach muscle to bone, Janine Benyus writes that the unraveled tendon “is almost unbelievable in its multileveled precision. The tendon in your forearm is a twisted bundle of cables, like the cables used in a suspension bridge. Each individual cable is itself a twisted bundle of thinner cables. Each of these thinner cables is itself a twisted bundle of molecules, which are, of course, twisted, helical bundles of atoms. Again and again a mathematical beauty unfolds.” It is, she says, “engineering brilliance.” (Biomimicry)
A whole science field, biomimetics, is devoted to learning from the brilliant designs in nature and applying these to human design products.

To reason that every effect has a cause should be self-evident. A house requires a builder. A house is simple in comparision to the smallest living organism.Therefore, to say a simple house requires a maker, but a far more complex living structure happens by chance, is both illogical and contrary to known facts. On the other hand, if a person's motive is to convince themselves or others there is no God, it makes sense to deny what our eyes see and our mind perceives. Otherwise, we would be forced to admit what is otherwise obvious. A difficult road to walk, to be sure...

Let's make a thread to debate Paley's watchmaker analogy, because we've never heard it before.

 

[footprints]

Quite right. I was just a little late in realizing just how immature you are.

Coming from you I will consider that a compliment, you haven't been correct in anything yet.

LOL you Creationist you.

 

[footprints]

No. I meant exactly what I said. Anyone with knowledge of geology, archeology and anthropology know there is no evidence for a WWF that would cooberate the Genesis flood story. These are three separate areas of science. They work totally independent of each other but their findings back each other up. To reject the testable evidence is a show of ignorance.




It is their mind we're dealing with when the story is relayed. If they make the claim then they should produce the evidence for their claims. I don't go out and about requesting believers to "prove: it...No...I come here and when a believer produces their beliefs as though they are fact then they are required to show evidence for what they claim or they are just being dishonest....

LOL Penguin, if you do not trust their evidence, it is up to you to prove it wrong. You will not do this by trying to prove a literal world wide flood never happened for your evidence isn't trusted.

 

[gnostic]

You say you're not creationist, footprint. And you seem to think that evolution have no merit. Does that mean neither of these you follow?

How about Intelligent Design? Do you believe in the teaching of Intelligent Design? Or do you follow this branch too?

 

[footprints]

You say you're not creationist, footprint. And you seem to think that evolution have no merit. Does that mean neither of these you follow?

How about Intelligent Design? Do you believe in the teaching of Intelligent Design? Or do you follow this branch too?

Hmmm do I think evolution has no merit..... that is news to me..... thanks for letting me know what I think. I don't know what I would do without people like you. Do you like, believe you are psychic?

At this point in time I give the same credit to evolution as I give to intelligent design. The evidence we have to date can go either way when both are started from the same point in time.

As to believing in teaching ID, you better believe I do. I would have it taught right alongside evolution just to give students a different point of view. The human brain works on association of knowledge, the more knowledge a brain holds pertaining to a specific subject, the greater the associations which can be made as it opens the mind to critical reasoning.

 

[gnostic]

As to believing in teaching ID, you better believe I do. I would have it taught right alongside evolution just to give students a different point of view.

For intelligent design to be taught as science in classroom, it needs more than give students different point of views; it needs to be factual and scientific, with evidences to support the theory. ID has neither.

And the international science community, especially biologists and geneticists, don't support ID. ID is nothing more than creationism dressed up as science (hence it is labelled by science as being pseudo-science, "fake science"), without providing facts (evidences) to validate its so-called theory. And in order for it to be factual, it needs to prove the existence of this so-called "Designer".

Who is this Designer? Where is this Designer?

The Intelligent Designer is no more real than a deity, which religions called god. It has no more evidence for existence than the fairy godmother.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Secondly, nice translation of Isaiah 40:26. Which bible version is it from?

He is using "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" produced by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

LOL Penguin, if you do not trust their evidence, it is up to you to prove it wrong.

Well, I don't trust what they call "proof" that a god caused (A). so since I don't trust what they consider proof...I accumulated irrefutable (EVIDENCE) that a WWF as they as well as their so-called "proof" (bible) says happened is completely false.

So I take it you can not account for the mass migration of various of species from a supposed central point and why there are no traces of them (bones or fossilized) or their ancestors (alive) in, around or extending outward from that region?

You will not do this by trying to prove a literal world wide flood never happened for your evidence isn't trusted.

It's just a debate forum. My goal is not to "prove" anything. You appear to be unaware of the difference. I have shown, using irrefutable evidence, that a WWF event as the bible and creationist list did not happen. They trust the science when it appears to work in their favor but reject it when it goes against their beliefs......but you as well as they aren't going to let little things like facts and evidence stand in the way of what you assert or what you believe......

 

[AxisMundi]

Geological evidence of a worldwide flood? No.
Archeological evidence of a worldwide flood? No.
Archeological evidence of the destruction of civilization? No.
Population bottleneck 4000 years ago? No.
Any way for plant life to survive? No.
Anyway for aquatic life to survive? No.
Any way for insects to survive? No.
Evidence that animal life spread out from the near east to repopulate the world? No.

Spot on.

 

[AxisMundi]

Coming from you I will consider that a compliment, you haven't been correct in anything yet.

LOL you Creationist you.

Off to the ignore list with you, troll.

 

[AxisMundi]

He is using "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" produced by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses)

Oh, no wonder he was so reluctant to cite his source.

Thank you.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Oh, no wonder he was so reluctant to cite his source.

Thank you.

Sad thing is..it's not even a good translation let alone the correct translation......They were just making stuff up...

 

[AxisMundi]

Sad thing is..it's not even a good translation let alone the correct translation......They were just making stuff up...

Indeed.

 

[footprints]

Well, I don't trust what they call "proof" that a god caused (A). so since I don't trust what they consider proof...I accumulated irrefutable (EVIDENCE) that a WWF as they as well as their so-called "proof" (bible) says happened is completely false.

I think what you mean to say is, you have accumulated irrefutable evidence which suits you. It clearly doesn't mean much to some other people.

So I take it you can not account for the mass migration of various of species from a supposed central point and why there are no traces of them (bones or fossilized) or their ancestors (alive) in, around or extending outward from that region?

We have already discussed this, human perception is a powerful thing.

It's just a debate forum. My goal is not to "prove" anything. You appear to be unaware of the difference. I have shown, using irrefutable evidence, that a WWF event as the bible and creationist list did not happen. They trust the science when it appears to work in their favor but reject it when it goes against their beliefs......but you as well as they aren't going to let little things like facts and evidence stand in the way of what you assert or what you believe......

You haven't shown anything except that which you personally accept. After that time all you have been doing is preaching to the converted.

So some religious people use science when it goes in their favour and discard it when it doesn't. Tell me how this differs to anybody else in the human race? Hell darkendless can have the flood no other way than a literal world wide flood. This denies so many other fields of science it isn't funny.

In reality, we have absolutely no idea as to what the alledged flood pertains to, let alone trying to prove it wrong or right. That is only a fools game. Hell for all I know the Hopi Indian may even be right, and we could have all been dropped off by space ships making a Noahs Ark scenario.

 

[footprints]

Off to the ignore list with you, troll.

Your trolling has no effect on me.

LOL May God Bless.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I think what you mean to say is, you have accumulated irrefutable evidence which suits you. It clearly doesn't mean much to some other people.

Again....I knew and know EXACTLY what I mean when I say it. If that wasn't what I meant to say...well, I would have said it.:sarcastic

The evidence given was accumulated by various fields of science. It's not like they're working some grand conspiracy. The fact that it's irrefutable should let you know that and alternative idea may be weak. Case in point is the Noah Deluge (As the bible says and creationist preach) has shown to be false by scientific search and discovery. It's not that it suits me...I challenge any creationist to examine the geological data to show that I'm wrong for accepting said evidence against the flood. It's not like this some new discovery. Most of this data has been around for a very very long time and new data is added as we learn more about the planet. None of if suggest a WWF in the given time frame.

We have already discussed this, human perception is a powerful thing.

It's not human perception in this case. At least not from where I stand. Their bible says Everyone and everything exited the ark on Mt. Ararat. If the animals were making some long trek to their respective locations then it's new information we haven't heard because as it stands NO creationist can account for this discrepancy.

You haven't shown anything except that which you personally accept. After that time all you have been doing is preaching to the converted.

But what I accept is irrefutable. I mean...If they could it would have been done by now.

Accounting for a mass exodus of animals, insects, etc. from Mt. Ararat can't be done.

So some religious people use science when it goes in their favour and discard it when it doesn't.

Yep.. We call that being dishonest. It's unfortunate.

Hell darkendless can have the flood no other way than a literal world wide flood. This denies so many other fields of science it isn't funny.

Well, I'm not sure he's arguing (for) a WWF but I do agree that the story, compared to how the genealogy unfolds, was to be a literal telling as to what happened. I'm not making the case for a WWF but those that do make the case are in an awkward position considering what we know of the natural world. And I agree that all the sciences, especially the ones I've mentioned, totally refute the claim of a literal WWF.

In reality, we have absolutely no idea as to what the alledged flood pertains to, let alone trying to prove it wrong or right.

Yes we do. And it has been shown to be a fictitious story. This fence straddling of yours is a waste of time.