Non-Binary

[We Never Know]

But those days were when women were expected not to follow any sort of career path.

That is true. Then married women with kids(that's what I'm going with) weren't encouraged to have a career, didn't need a career, were held back from a career, etc.

The cost of living has helped changed that. Just 50 years ago a married couple could buy a house, a car, raise kids, etc on one income. That's not reality anymore.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I didn't say they had tr be.

If gender is based on your thoughts and feelings, because everybody has different thoughts and feelings, does this mean each person will have a different gender?

Well, there wil be as many genders as there are different thoughts and feelings in regards to that. But some people will share the same thoughts and feelings. So in practice there are not as many genders as there are humans with thoughts and feelings about that.

 

[Secret Chief]

That is true. Then married women with kids(that's what I'm going with) weren't encouraged to have a career, didn't need a career, were held back from a career, etc.

The cost of living has helped changed that. Just 50 years ago a married couple could buy a house, a car, raise kids, etc on one income. That's not reality anymore.

With the cost of living so high I'm seriously considering polygamy.

 

[McBell]

If gender is based on your thoughts and feelings, because everybody has different thoughts and feelings, does this mean each person will have a different gender?

Yes.
Just like everyone has a different personality.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes.
Just like everyone has a different personality.

Maybe, but I consinder personality more complex than gender. But you might have a point.

 

[Twilight Hue]

But those days were when women were expected not to follow any sort of career path.

That's not entirely true. Women had careers once the children were old enough to fend for themselves.

 

[McBell]

Maybe, but I consinder personality more complex than gender. But you might have a point.

Personalities, though they are not identical, are still categorized.
The only real difference is that gender has not had the categorizing condensed like personalities have.

 

[Secret Chief]

That's not entirely true. Women had careers once the children were old enough to fend for themselves.

Yes, at least a decade behind, meaning a lower salary, no built up experience and less chance of rising to the same senior positions as men. Structural discrimination.

 

[We Never Know]

That is true. Then married women with kids(that's what I'm going with) weren't encouraged to have a career, didn't need a career, were held back from a career, etc.

The cost of living has helped changed that. Just 50 years ago a married couple could buy a house, a car, raise kids, etc on one income. That's not reality anymore.

Has anyone really thought about that. Just how 50 years ago things were so different.

In 1975, the average salary was $7,653.08.
The median family income was $13,720.
The minimum wage was $2.10 per hour for all workers except farm workers, whose minimum was $1.60.

People could buy a house, a car and raise kids, take vacations, etc without struggling, many on one income.

Not only was the cost of living affordable, so were houses, cars, etc.
Plus back then they weren't buying $2000 HD smart TV's, $1500 iPhones, kids toys weren't $100+ each.

Its like we traded simple affordable living all in for tech, wants over needs, bigger things, etc for a harder life.

Man the good ole days.

 

[crossfire]

Cancer is a physical issue. GD is a mental condition.

Young women who want to get breast reduction or removal have usually not developed breast cancer. It is healthy tissue that is being removed. They are doing it because they want breast tissue removed. The side benefit is that it greatly reduces the chances of developing breast cancer in the future.

 

[stvdv]

I identify as Atma

 

[Kfox]

1864​

German writer and philosopher Karl Ulrichs described the idea of a "female psyche caught in a male body"​

In 1864 the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

1900s​

Doctors like Magnus Hirschfeld distinguished between transgender and homosexual behaviors, and the term "transvestite" was commonly used to describe transgender people​

And during the 1900's, the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

1950s and 1960s​

Christine Jorgensen brought gender confirming surgery to public attention​

And during the 1950's and 1960's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

1970s​

The term "transgender" became more common, and transsexualism was first recognized as a psychosexual disorder in the DSM-III​

During the 1970's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

1980s​

The DSM-III introduced the diagnosis of "gender identity disorder" for children, and "transsexualism" for adolescents and adults​

During the 1980's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

1987​

The DSM-III-R added "Gender Identity Disorder of Adolescence and Adulthood, Non-Transsexual Type" (GIDAANT)​

in 1987 the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

2013​

The DSM-V replaced "gender identity disorder" with "gender dysphoria" to avoid the stigma of the term "disorder"​

In 2013.....Well you get the idea.

 

[Kfox]

What are "the further descriptions?"

I might have to describe them as a biological male or female, I might have to describe their height, weight, clothing color, etc. etc.

Why not just accept the person who says they're nonbinary is nonbinary or a who says they're a woman is a woman as I've accepted your tool is a widget?

Because the tool is not a widget, and if the person has a prostate, instead of a uterus, testis instead of ovaries, and XY chromosomes instead of XX, they are not a woman. Now just because I do not accept them as being a woman does not mean I am gonna sit there and argue with them; I will just accept them as being delusional the same way I would if a 40 year old told me he were 12.

How would "knowledgeable people who were very educated" know what I am better than me or what you are better than you?

They should be able to tell the difference between a man and a woman

 

[Kfox]

What is the something else?

Personality?

Is the sole reason you think them as something else simply because you are holding on to gender is another word for sex?

Yes.

 

[Kfox]

Well, there wil be as many genders as there are different thoughts and feelings in regards to that. But some people will share the same thoughts and feelings. So in practice there are not as many genders as there are humans with thoughts and feelings about that.

But we don't give each thought and feeling a name; do we.

 

[Kfox]

Yes.
Just like everyone has a different personality.

But we don't give each personality a different name do we.

 

[icehorse]

Young women who want to get breast reduction or removal have usually not developed breast cancer. It is healthy tissue that is being removed. They are doing it because they want breast tissue removed. The side benefit is that it greatly reduces the chances of developing breast cancer in the future.

still apples and oranges

 

[icehorse]

Is the sole reason you think them as something else simply because you are holding on to gender is another word for sex?

And your definition of gender is... ?

 

[McBell]

In 1864 the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

And during the 1900's, the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

And during the 1950's and 1960's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

During the 1970's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

During the 1980's the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

in 1987 the idea that a man could get pregnant would be considered absurd because mainstream society tied gender to sex

In 2013.....Well you get the idea.

Did you lose track of the coversation?

the post the above was in reply to was in reply to:

Again; gender has always been tied to sex regardless of your thoughts, feelings, and behavior. A Tomboy female has always been considered a woman; a feminine male has always been considered a man. If you disagree, point to a time in history when it was not.

NOWHERE in you above post is pregnancy mentioned.
So it appears you either lost track of the conversation, which happens, or you are moving the goal posts.

 

[McBell]

Personality?

Yes.

So then the actual "problem" is nothing more than you refusing to accept the fact that the word gender is no longer solely a synonym for sex...