Non-Binary

[McBell]

Yes! You have to ask because only the user of the word knows the meaning; but to everybody else the word is meaningless; so the user of the word has to use other words to clarify. If the word had meaning, the user of the word wouldn't have to use other words to clarify.

Again, that the meaning of the word is not something you like is a YOU problem.

Why it is so important for you know their sex is also a YOU issue.

If you want to know their sex, ask them.
And don't dance around it like you have in this thread.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Surgery for gynecomastia is not gender affirming surgery, it is a medical issue.

Removing the breast tissue is affirming and confirming he's a guy. It would be addressing what would like be crippling anxiety and gender dysphoria over being a man with boobs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When you divorce gender from biology (which is what you are doing) gender no longer has anything to do with the medical field.

Then why does the medical field say otherwise?

 

[Kfox]

Correct, none of this as meaningless is anything else that opinions for all of us. That is the point and that includes your point of what makes gender gender or not.

Again; it's meaningless as a description of a person. If the person using the word is the only one who knows what that word means, where is the meaning?

 

[Kfox]

Technically, it's both. Gynecomastia is most often harmless, so there is often not strictly speaking a medical reason for surgery to be done on it - it's usually done for purely aesthetic reasons; in other words, people tend to do it so that they physically conform to the gender they see themselves as.

So, yeah, it is a form of gender affirming surgery.

No. Doing it for aesthetic reasons and doing it ton confirm your gender identity are two different things; especially if gender has nothing to do with biological sex.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Again; it's meaningless as a description of a person. If the person using the word is the only one who knows what that word means, where is the meaning?

The meaning is to that person. Just as the meaning of your life is yours and utterly objectively meaningless as for facts, truth and evidence.
You are aware that at best meaning is intersubjective, right? And not objective or universal?

 

[Kfox]

How about instead of fishing for it, you just reveal the answer you want to hear?

How about if you answer the question in the context of your understanding so I can make my point!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How about if you answer the question in the context of your understanding so I can make my point!

But it is not your point. It is universal, objective, with evidence and a fact. You don't do anything subjective. You always use facts and never opinions. Those are subjectively meaningless.

 

[Kfox]

Why it is so important for you know their sex is also a YOU issue.

We're talking about gender; not sex remember?

If you want to know their sex, ask them.

Oh! So if there is an APB on a criminal in the area, it's not like they have the option of asking the criminal his sex!

And don't dance around it like you have in this thread.

I've answered every question you've asked; you are the one refusing to answer questions here.

 

[McBell]

How about if you answer the question in the context of your understanding so I can make my point!

I have answered in context.
you simply do not like my answer because it failed to set up your punch line.

 

[McBell]

We're talking about gender; not sex remember?

To you, they are the same thing, remember?

Oh! So if there is an APB on a criminal in the area, it's not like they have the option of asking the criminal his sex!

Bwawk...

I've answered every question you've asked; you are the one refusing to answer questions here.

what question have I failed to answer?
I now I have not given the answer you were hoping for, but that does not equate to not answering.

 

[Kfox]

The meaning is to that person.

Yeah; the meaning is to the person speaking. But what good is it being meaningful to you if you are going to use the word as a description to someone else?

 

[Kfox]

But it is not your point.

That IS my point. The fact that in my scenario, to describe Sam as a woman means nothing to the person who divorces gender from biology.

 

[Kfox]

I have answered in context.

What post number did you answer my question?

 

[McBell]

What post number did you answer my question?

Which question is it you claim I have not answered?
What post is it in?

 

[Kfox]

To you, they are the same thing, remember?

My objection is with what YOU think

what question have I failed to answer?

The question I asked you on post #314

I now I have not given the answer you were hoping for, but that does not equate to not answering.

What post number did you answer it?

 

[McBell]

The question I asked you on post #314

The only question in Post #314:

Why do you think you are the standard for the rest of the world?

My answer to that question:

I am not the one making any such claim.
Either directly or indirectly.

 

[Kfox]

Removing the breast tissue is affirming and confirming he's a guy. It would be addressing what would like be crippling anxiety and gender dysphoria over being a man with boobs.

I disagree. As a personal trainer, I’ve dealt with gynecomastia and it’s rare that it looks like breasts, it usually looks like a swelling around the guys nipples, and with certain activities it is often uncomfortable, itches, and looks bad; but it in no way makes the guy have dysphoria.

Then why does the medical field say otherwise?

In what way does the medical field address gender?

 

[Kfox]

The only question in Post #314:

My answer to that question:

Post #314
A person named Sam is described as a 5'9" tall woman. Tell me everything you know about Sam based on the description.

 

[McBell]

Post #314
A person named Sam is described as a 5'9" tall woman. Tell me everything you know about Sam based on the description.

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