Argentbear
Well-Known Member
it's the opinion of the American Medical Association
The National Library of Medicine
The National Institutes of Health
the Yale School of Medicine
the American Psychological Association
But what do they know?
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The National Library of Medicine
The National Institutes of Health
the Yale School of Medicine
the American Psychological Association
But what do they know?
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
did you read both sentences of the post?
Fair enough; I can accept your mental outlook can have an effect on your physical body. But this does not dismiss the claim I made on post #271, that when you divorce gender from biology, gender becomes meaningless as a description.
McBell
Unbound
Yes, anyone who has paid any attention what so ever to this thread knows that is your unsupported mantra.
It's only supported by common sense.
McBell
Unbound
Common sense is "knowledge, judgement, and taste which is more or less universal and which is held more or less without reflection or argument".[1]
this very thread reveals that it is not.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I have no inner picture or movie if you like. Ask me to see a cat in my mind's eye and I will answer that I can't.
So what you claimed is not universal and thus it is irrelevant, meaningless and not helpful.
We're still awaiting non-circular definitions for gender and gender identity...
If nothing else, it would appear that we're not being given accurate information, because this link talks about thousands of such surgeries:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/23/health/gender-affirming-surgery-study/index.html
McBell
Unbound
It does not talk about "thousands" of such surgeries on minors.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, we are still waiting for empirical evidence for how it is a fact that it must be non-circular.
It says 48,000 people had surgeries and 7% were under 18. That's over 3,000 surgeries on minors. And BTW, the article I cited was in favor of GAC, calling it "evidence based" (which appears to be a difficult claim to defend).
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McBell
Unbound
Where, exactly, in the article you linked does it make that claim?
I did not see it.
(I am not saying it is not there.
I am saying I did not see it)
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
and yet it is being used as a description
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
lets talk about accurate information. I referenced a 2023 study about gender affirming surgeries in minors. you cited a news report about a much older study not focused on minors and titled National Estimates of Gender-Affirming Surgery in the US (EMP mine)
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Argentbear
Well-Known Member
the author's of the study you are talking about said that because of coding systems they could not identify just what surgeries were performed. They had to rely on the broad medical coding for cosmetic surgery as a whole that were received by individuals identified as transgender. This woudl include procedures for acne scaring reduction among other things.
I don't think you're reading your own citation correctly.
Here's another article that is linked to from your article:
Gender Affirmation Surgery on the Rise: Analysis of Trends and Outcomes - PubMed
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Pink is for girls and blue is for boys. That is gender and that is so far removed from biology that pink was nearly the color for boys. But it's not meaningless. That history and culture, and culture includes many gendered norms that don't revolve around biology in anyway.
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
and what did your article say about the total number of minors receiving gender affirming surgery...oh it didn't mention minors at all.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Ref. Temporal Trends in Gender Affirmation Surgery Among Transgender and Non-Binary Minors by Bashar Hassan, Ferris Zeitouni, Mona Ascha, Renata Sanders, and Fan Liang.
The part after Ref if you put it into google will take you to the paper,
Just so you know.