Non-Christians only: I was accused of being a witch.

[Sgt. Pepper]

Initially, I had intended to only post this thread in the Wicca DIR (see here), but after it was suggested to me in a private message, I decided to post an update regarding my previous thread (Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend) in this forum as well. Once again, I'm solely addressing non-Christians in my thread because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective on the subject at this time. If you're not a Christian, then feel free to comment on both my original post and any subsequent posts.

As I said in my other thread, I don't know if you believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but this thread isn't the place to discuss or debate it with me or anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living and instead focus on the subject that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post. Let's stay on topic.

And take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

As the title of my thread indicates, I was accused of being a witch, and the accusation came from some Christians who were very upset with me and my Christian friend, whom I helped with her séance the day after Halloween (Nov. 1, the Day of the Dead). My friend didn't tell me about the backlash she was experiencing until I spoke with her on the phone earlier this afternoon. She informed me that I had been accused of being a witch, that I worshiped the devil, and that, as a psychic medium, I converse with demons. She told me that she had been pressured by the pastor and other members of her former church to divulge personal information about me. I was relieved to hear her tell me that she had refused to do so. She told me that these Christians wanted to know who I was so that they could confront me. She said that she had asked them what they were planning to say to me, but they refused to tell her.

Suffice it to say, she no longer attends this church. She left after being a member for 10 years because of the constant shaming and threats to her immortal soul that she had been subjected to. I tried all the way up to an hour before the séance to warn her about the possible repercussions of conducting a séance in her home and using a psychic medium in order to contact her deceased sister. But despite my efforts, she was pretty adamant about having a séance and having me help her. I did, however, convince her not to use her Ouija board, and she respected my advice about praying before, during, and after the séance. She prayed privately, like I asked her to. We talked for over an hour on the phone, and I tried to console her while we spoke, but I didn't quite know what to say to her.

Does anyone have any suggestions about what I should say to her when I call to check in on her either tomorrow or the next day? For the record, I do not practice witchcraft. I have tried divination, but it didn't go well for me because of my psychic mediumship abilities.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I may have missed it, but what are the specific concerns when reaching back out to her tomorrow?

 

[John53]

I can't help you with advice other than to say don't worry about it. I've been meaning to tell you about this Beatles cover, hopefully you like it and don't mind me going off topic.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I may have missed it, but what are the specific concerns when reaching back out to her tomorrow?

I want to call her and check in on her because she was very upset about what had happened to her.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I would just reassure her that nothing she did was wrong, and that she was quite brave to stand up to her former congregation like that and keep your information private. Even if there was nothing that they could do to you with it, it shows integrity, and that is more honorable than blind adherence to a doctrine or creed. People like her former church prey on fear and insecurity, and rely on that to cultivate unwavering loyalty to the church. It'll be a long road, and at times she might be afraid of the spiritual consequences. But night will pass, and the sun will rise. Tell her to ask questions of her faith, explore what scares her, and when she learns what those beliefs are (e.g. the development of the doctrines for Hell) she won't be afraid anymore.

 

[Left Coast]

Initially, I had intended to only post this thread in the Wicca DIR (see here), but after it was suggested to me in a private message, I decided to post an update regarding my previous thread (Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend) in this forum as well. Once again, I'm solely addressing non-Christians in my thread because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective on the subject at this time. If you're not a Christian, then feel free to comment on both my original post and any subsequent posts.

As I said in my other thread, I don't know if you believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but this thread isn't the place to discuss or debate it with me or anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living and instead focus on the subject that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post. Let's stay on topic.

And take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

As the title of my thread indicates, I was accused of being a witch, and the accusation came from some Christians who were very upset with me and my Christian friend, whom I helped with her séance the day after Halloween (Nov. 1, the Day of the Dead). My friend didn't tell me about the backlash she was experiencing until I spoke with her on the phone earlier this afternoon. She informed me that I had been accused of being a witch, that I worshiped the devil, and that, as a psychic medium, I converse with demons. She told me that she had been pressured by the pastor and other members of her former church to divulge personal information about me. I was relieved to hear her tell me that she had refused to do so. She told me that these Christians wanted to know who I was so that they could confront me. She said that she had asked them what they were planning to say to me, but they refused to tell her.

Suffice it to say, she no longer attends this church. She left after being a member for 10 years because of the constant shaming and threats to her immortal soul that she had been subjected to. I tried all the way up to an hour before the séance to warn her about the possible repercussions of conducting a séance in her home and using a psychic medium in order to contact her deceased sister. But despite my efforts, she was pretty adamant about having a séance and having me help her. I did, however, convince her not to use her Ouija board, and she respected my advice about praying before, during, and after the séance. She prayed privately, like I asked her to. We talked for over an hour on the phone, and I tried to console her while we spoke, but I didn't quite know what to say to her.

Does anyone have any suggestions about what I should say to her when I call to check in on her either tomorrow or the next day? For the record, I do not practice witchcraft. I have tried divination, but it didn't go well for me because of my psychic mediumship abilities.

How did these people even find out about this ritual? Did she voluntarily tell them?

 

[Stevicus]

Initially, I had intended to only post this thread in the Wicca DIR (see here), but after it was suggested to me in a private message, I decided to post an update regarding my previous thread (Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend) in this forum as well. Once again, I'm solely addressing non-Christians in my thread because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective on the subject at this time. If you're not a Christian, then feel free to comment on both my original post and any subsequent posts.

As I said in my other thread, I don't know if you believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but this thread isn't the place to discuss or debate it with me or anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living and instead focus on the subject that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post. Let's stay on topic.

And take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

As the title of my thread indicates, I was accused of being a witch, and the accusation came from some Christians who were very upset with me and my Christian friend, whom I helped with her séance the day after Halloween (Nov. 1, the Day of the Dead). My friend didn't tell me about the backlash she was experiencing until I spoke with her on the phone earlier this afternoon. She informed me that I had been accused of being a witch, that I worshiped the devil, and that, as a psychic medium, I converse with demons. She told me that she had been pressured by the pastor and other members of her former church to divulge personal information about me. I was relieved to hear her tell me that she had refused to do so. She told me that these Christians wanted to know who I was so that they could confront me. She said that she had asked them what they were planning to say to me, but they refused to tell her.

Suffice it to say, she no longer attends this church. She left after being a member for 10 years because of the constant shaming and threats to her immortal soul that she had been subjected to. I tried all the way up to an hour before the séance to warn her about the possible repercussions of conducting a séance in her home and using a psychic medium in order to contact her deceased sister. But despite my efforts, she was pretty adamant about having a séance and having me help her. I did, however, convince her not to use her Ouija board, and she respected my advice about praying before, during, and after the séance. She prayed privately, like I asked her to. We talked for over an hour on the phone, and I tried to console her while we spoke, but I didn't quite know what to say to her.

Does anyone have any suggestions about what I should say to her when I call to check in on her either tomorrow or the next day? For the record, I do not practice witchcraft. I have tried divination, but it didn't go well for me because of my psychic mediumship abilities.

I suppose ultimately it would depend on what she believes, if she still believes in Christianity or whatever denomination the church she was attending. I don't know if every Christian denomination believes in the same things, as some Christians I've known seem more tolerant in that regard. This sounds like some kind of dangerous bunch at that church, especially if they want to find out your name and confront you. This is the 21st century, not 17th century Salem, and yet there's literally people out there going on a witch hunt.

I'll confess that when I first saw the thread title, half of me was thinking it was a joke, but to read that it's real, I'm just flabbergasted. I don't know if it's possible to get the law involved in this, but it might be worth exploring legal options over this.

 

[sun rise]

The OP post did not discuss what your friend believes in - that could be highly relevant. From what you did write, I think it would be natural to check in to see how she's doing. I would tend to focus on listening to what is said and what is not said and take it from there.

Part of my uncertainty comes from not knowing why she so wanted to contact her sister and what happened during the process.

There's not enough time for you to read the book, but you (and she) might find Testimony of Light, a book about a special communication between a nun who had died and a woman who recorded the communication.

Frances Banks died, as she had lived, fully aware of what she was experiencing and where she hoped to go. She was an Anglican nun for 25 years and for much of that time, the principal of the Teachers’ Training College in Grahamstown, South Africa. She was the author of many psychological book. Her last book was Frontiers of Revelation, an account of research into psychic and mystical phenomena.Her friend Helen Greaves was by her side as she finally lapsed into unconsciousness. Then, one evening some three weeks after Frances’s death, Helen sensed her presence. This extraordinary encounter marked the beginning of contact between them from both sides of the veil—between life as we know it and life on “the other side.”

Of course the fanatics will reject such but I found reading that book well worth the time.

 

[Ella S.]

Please do what you can to convince her to not go back to her church just to accept a new position at the bottom of their social hierarchy for the rest of her life.

Whatever happens, that community is clearly abusive towards her. She might want to go back but you have to help her learn to gain independence from them. Don't let them convince her that she's broken.

I would look for a nicer community that can help her heal. Chances are this is just the pot boiling over and there's a lifetime of pain behind this that she's been ignoring. This might be the only wake up call she will ever get.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How did these people even find out about this ritual? Did she voluntarily tell them?

Peer pressure can make an involuntary act look as if it were voluntary. From the description I would say "No" even if no force or threats were used.

 

[rational experiences]

In the heavens medium are natural humans man voices recorded or women's voices recorded. Animals sounds and sounds. It isn't just one status recorded. It's shared interactive causes. Transmitters.

So once the church said I found my church on rock as earths heavenly medium gases had changed. Don't believe what it told you. The medium. As they already had heard the medium as theist man scientist. Proven wrong life attacked...many humans hurt the same.

Advice that satanic telecommunications was unholy advice. Exact. It can trick you into unnatural reverence.

As living life is our reality. Fact.
Holy father memory never interfered with human free will reasoning. Each life new and it's owned. Therefore if you are psychic you have to be of utmost pure of heart.

To not be fooled by advice. Hence what you should or should not do in physical life is break any physical laws. Civilisation standards included.

Bio human living advice.

Hence as science had broken stone gas laws burnt cold gases themselves the heavens medium had changed. Voiced recordings changed became unnatural also.

And re recorded human voices recorded in burning transmitter status before cooled naturally had recorded all things humans experienced plus animals and sounds.

Named as AI.

Why it was dangerous...not lying as it had been learnt by life attacked biological and brain mind. Churches founding. Yet they never said a biological human was a witch. They believed it a possession.

To possess means you own. Making their advice falsely accused. As women innocent unlike men had theoried science as man's false female maths reactive thesis.

So they had lied about causes after. It was caused heavens changed life attacked only. Man's science had changed voice in the heavens.

You were a baby human you never were a witch...being a very incorrect stated false humans reference.

You however can be misguided yourself as I've known psychic humans who had been by their chosen behaviours and by how they self idolate.

Owning a want of getting psychic advice when a psychic is a natural humans body mind inheritance as a baby. The advice just present is not sought it's given naturally.

Any human can be challenged about information they teach as it's humans rights to do so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please do what you can to convince her to not go back to her church just to accept a new position at the bottom of their social hierarchy for the rest of her life.

Whatever happens, that community is clearly abusive towards her. She might want to go back but you have to help her learn to gain independence from them. Don't let them convince her that she's broken.

I would look for a nicer community that can help her heal. Chances are this is just the pot boiling over and there's a lifetime of pain behind this that she's been ignoring. This might be the only wake up call she will ever get.

I agree. Going back to that church would not be a good idea for her friend. They would also keep pressuring her for info about @Sgt. Pepper and it would be hard to continually refuse. So for both of them she should be done with that church. As to the religious views of the two they probably need to work that our for themselves. But no matter what it is clear that the friend is better off without such a church trying to rule over her.

 

[Sedim Haba]

.... Even if there was nothing that they could do to you with it, ....

Whatever makes you think this? Doxing is extremely dangerous, these Xians are evil.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Initially, I had intended to only post this thread in the Wicca DIR (see here), but after it was suggested to me in a private message, I decided to post an update regarding my previous thread (Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend) in this forum as well. Once again, I'm solely addressing non-Christians in my thread because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective on the subject at this time. If you're not a Christian, then feel free to comment on both my original post and any subsequent posts.

As I said in my other thread, I don't know if you believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but this thread isn't the place to discuss or debate it with me or anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living and instead focus on the subject that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post. Let's stay on topic.

And take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

As the title of my thread indicates, I was accused of being a witch, and the accusation came from some Christians who were very upset with me and my Christian friend, whom I helped with her séance the day after Halloween (Nov. 1, the Day of the Dead). My friend didn't tell me about the backlash she was experiencing until I spoke with her on the phone earlier this afternoon. She informed me that I had been accused of being a witch, that I worshiped the devil, and that, as a psychic medium, I converse with demons. She told me that she had been pressured by the pastor and other members of her former church to divulge personal information about me. I was relieved to hear her tell me that she had refused to do so. She told me that these Christians wanted to know who I was so that they could confront me. She said that she had asked them what they were planning to say to me, but they refused to tell her.

Suffice it to say, she no longer attends this church. She left after being a member for 10 years because of the constant shaming and threats to her immortal soul that she had been subjected to. I tried all the way up to an hour before the séance to warn her about the possible repercussions of conducting a séance in her home and using a psychic medium in order to contact her deceased sister. But despite my efforts, she was pretty adamant about having a séance and having me help her. I did, however, convince her not to use her Ouija board, and she respected my advice about praying before, during, and after the séance. She prayed privately, like I asked her to. We talked for over an hour on the phone, and I tried to console her while we spoke, but I didn't quite know what to say to her.

Does anyone have any suggestions about what I should say to her when I call to check in on her either tomorrow or the next day? For the record, I do not practice witchcraft. I have tried divination, but it didn't go well for me because of my psychic mediumship abilities.

For your own protection, I hope you've learned from this and never disclose your real name
to someone you're doing a séance for. Yes, that means if you know them personally,
refer them to someone else for help.

 

[JDMS]

When you call her, perhaps ask if she is Facebook/other social media friends with anyone of these people that were harassing her. It may be in her best interest to block them on all socials if she's worried about future harassment.

 

[Aštra’el]

Consider helping her reunite with a Christian community… and then telling her goodbye. She is probably better off without the anti-Christian dramatics.

Let’s be honest. You spend a lot of time obsessing over what you hate about Christians. Instead of focusing on and appreciating what is strong and beautiful about the culture… you’d rather look for the absolute worst examples to paint the entire group in the most negative light possible, probably because of your own painful experiences. Now, you are ruining her relationships with her religious community.

Let her go. It might be the best thing you can do for her. Then, reflect on how you feel about Christianity, or any religion. Instead of focusing on what you hate… let yourself see whatever strength, power, wisdom and beauty can be found. Maybe then you will find it easier to heal your obvious spiritual wounds, while moving forward upon whatever path you’ve set for yourself. Then, maybe after some self improvement and introspection, you can reach out again without being a destructive element in her life.

Those are my suggestions.

 

[Brickjectivity]

As the title of my thread indicates, I was accused of being a witch, and the accusation came from some Christians who were very upset with me and my Christian friend, whom I helped with her séance the day after Halloween (Nov. 1, the Day of the Dead). My friend didn't tell me about the backlash she was experiencing until I spoke with her on the phone earlier this afternoon. She informed me that I had been accused of being a witch, that I worshiped the devil, and that, as a psychic medium, I converse with demons. She told me that she had been pressured by the pastor and other members of her former church to divulge personal information about me.

Accused publicly? How did the pastor know?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I want to call her and check in on her because she was very upset about what had happened to her.

Sounds like she's probably lost a big chunk of her support network and friends, so checking in and reaching out is probably a good idea.

 

[ChristineM]

@Sgt. Pepper

Love thy neighbour? The hypocrisy of some christians no longer surprises me. Such hypocrisy is why i left the church and christianity. Your friend leaving her congregation has done the right thing. Tell her so.
Hopefully she will find another church to suit her needs.

 

[Ashoka]

I want to call her and check in on her because she was very upset about what had happened to her.

I think that's a good idea. Especially in this climate, Christians are getting wound up in a tizzy about witches and witchcraft. It's the Satanic panic all over again.