Non Religious countries do better

[jamesmorrow]

I wouldn't say that. What I would say is that they have morals because they were raised in a Christian worldview when their worldview says that humans are no more important than weeds in a garden.

true, atheists have christian morals, but they choose to ignore them in their rebellion against GOD. and so they choose their atheist worldview of gay anal sex, christian persecution, abortion, socialism/maoism/stalinism/marxism/communism/evolution/big bang/natural selection/pornography/drug abuse/porstitution/global warming etc.

 

[Marble]

true, atheists have christian morals, but they choose to ignore them in their rebellion against GOD. and so they choose their atheist worldview of gay anal sex, christian persecution, abortion, socialism/maoism/stalinism/marxism/communism/evolution/big bang/natural selection/pornography/drug abuse/porstitution/global warming etc.

These things exist all over the world, no matter if the majority of people in a country are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics or whatever.

 

[jamesmorrow]

These things exist all over the world, no matter if the majority of people in a country are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics or whatever.

thats because we live in a fallen sinful evil world. but christian morals are good. and christians dont do such things.

 

[Marble]

thats because we live in a fallen sinful evil world. but christian morals are good. and christians dont do such things.

You perhaps mean true Christians don't do such things?

 

[jamesmorrow]

You perhaps mean true Christians don't do such things?

no. i mean christians. false christians are not christians. therefore there is no need to specify that christians are true christians.

 

[mycorrhiza]

I would say that social democracy has more to do with it than religion. Many of the European countries are based on social democracy and social liberalism and thus have good health care, good education etc.

Sweden isn't near 85% atheists, though. About 75% don't belong to a religion, but out of those, only about 25% describe themselves as atheists. The other 50% believe in "a force" or something similar.

 

[Revoltingest]

You perhaps mean true Christians don't do such things?

What is a "false Christian"?
Do they say they believe in Christ, but really don't? How could this be known about them?

 

[sojourner]

Very few atheists live like their philosophy of life is true. Most live like there is purpose and meaning in life, like there is such a thing as personhood, like there are moral values and duties in life, and like we should take care of the weak and old. In fact most all of them live like Christians, so the OP is debunked.

There are some atheists that live like their philosophy of life is true, and they were in the old Soviet Union and in N Korea where people are treated like wards of the state and have no value except the value that they have to the government.

One could say the same thing about, quite possibly, most Christians, too, though. For many Christians, the greatest purpose in their life is "getting to heaven," but that's not what Jesus taught -- or did. Jesus gave up Divinity for others. Many Christians are intolerant and/or dismissive of others -- homosexuals and women leap to mind -- and aliens (especially Mexican aliens). Many Christians are unscrupulous, entitled and socially irresponsible. Many Christians throw the crippled and elderly into nursing homes and forget about them.

If we all lived like those atheists of whom you speak, we'd be a lot better off.

 

[sojourner]

ToE? Really?

Talk about giant strawmen.

Ethics and morals are simply societal norms. What is believed to be for the greater good of a society, is ethical and moral. The reason there is a version of the “Golden Rule” in nearly every culture in history is that humans do not want harm to come to themselves, therefore they restrain from doing harm to others within their society.

Ethics and morality change and evolve to fit current societal evolution.

And yet, many Christians seem to ignore those ethics in favor of "What's best for me? How can I get to heaven?"

 

[sojourner]

In reply to the OP, I'd like to point something out.
Xy has tended to flourish in places where there is oppression, poverty, and hopelessness. That's because Xy is, at its base, a religion of liberation. It was born in a place that was oppressed by the largest empire the world has ever known. As soon as it became "the state religion," it began to become twisted and to perpetrate the same oppression that fostered it in the first place. In nations of privilege, Xy is waning rapidly. In nations of poverty, Xy is on the rise. At its heart, Xy is a religion for those who are poor, disenfranchised, hopeless, oppressed. At its heart, Xy stands against the status quo of entitlement and privilege. Xtian theology does not say, "I'm one of the 'elect' -- therefore, I get to go to heaven." It does say, "I can't believe God would want me -- ragged, despised, dirty." Which scenario present true good news -- that someone is privileged and entitled to be with God, or that someone who is unworthy is graced to be with God?

My take is that systematized and "sanctioned" Xy is a drag on society. It's not the "system" of Xy that has made countries great. But it's the renegade, underground Xy that has pulled many a poverty-stricken people out of the mire.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Very few atheists live like their philosophy of life is true. Most live like there is purpose and meaning in life, like there is such a thing as personhood, like there are moral values and duties in life, and like we should take care of the weak and old. In fact most all of them live like Christians, so the OP is debunked.

There are some atheists that live like their philosophy of life is true, and they were in the old Soviet Union and in N Korea where people are treated like wards of the state and have no value except the value that they have to the government.

Bwahahhahahhahhahhhahhahha!!!!

Oh, damn. You were serious, weren't you?
Come on man! You really do live in a world of your own, don't you?

You've racked up enough straw-men in this tread to populate a small village and you've presented so many falsehoods that they could be the basis for a new holy book. :sarcastic

Amazing.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Let's talk about projectionism for a moment, you are projecting morals and values as coming from the ToE.

Good grief. Again with the ToE strawman?

What I described was the advancement of societal ethics and morals, combined with personal ethos, and how they change over time as societies change and merge.

No, because I was raised in the Christian worldview and most atheists are also. But when you find that some atheists are not raised in the Christian worldview, such as in N. Korea then watch out.

And again with the "Christian worldview". One wonders how the world got along before it was "blessed" with the spread of Christianity?

 

[mycorrhiza]

Very few atheists live like their philosophy of life is true. Most live like there is purpose and meaning in life, like there is such a thing as personhood, like there are moral values and duties in life, and like we should take care of the weak and old. In fact most all of them live like Christians, so the OP is debunked.

There are some atheists that live like their philosophy of life is true, and they were in the old Soviet Union and in N Korea where people are treated like wards of the state and have no value except the value that they have to the government.

Most atheists live like their philosophy is life is true. They don't worship any Gods, they don't visit religious buildings regularly, they don't do sacrifices or base their lives on holy books. That doesn't mean that they all lack morals or goals in life. Humanity have pretty much agreed on a few things that don't benefit us. Murder, stealing, rape etc are considered wrong in nearly all cultures, as they don't benefit humanity. We wouldn't want these things done to us, and therefore we don't do them towards other. This is true in cultures that existed thousands of years before Christianity.

These basic things build on human values, not Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or any other religion's values. Some humans disagree on these, be they atheists of Christians, but the values are still shared by most people, including atheists.

What goals we have in life very. Some believe in "whoever has more stuff when he dies win" while some want to experience all the pleasures of life and some want to change the world. As you might see, not everyone is living the Christian life style of communal living, giving everything you own to the poor and spending all your time devoted to God. In fact, I have yet to meet a single Christian that does this.

It's ironic that you mention countries percieved as Communist (they're not, but that's a different discussion) when Jesus was quite the proto-Communist himself.

 

[colaboy]

Atheism isn't philosophy, it's a position on a single question.

Nicely and succinctly put.

 

[Tristesse]

Atheist countries don't have a first amendment, so again that is a Christian value that atheists embrace when they should be embracing communism.

Communism is not tied to atheism, so your point fails. The only requirement for an atheist is to not believe that a god exists, everythng elseis something else. I never said this country was founded on atheism, I said it's neutral on the issue. And I also disagree that even if this were an atheist country we couldn't have a first amendment. What does that have to do with whether or not this country is atheist(which I never said was the case,pay attention!)?

 

[Tristesse]

true, atheists have christian morals, but they choose to ignore them in their rebellion against GOD. and so they choose their atheist worldview of gay anal sex, christian persecution, abortion, socialism/maoism/stalinism/marxism/communism/evolution/big bang/natural selection/pornography/drug abuse/porstitution/global warming etc.

Absolutely! I say pass the anal sex please!

 

[jamesmorrow]

Absolutely! I say pass the anal sex please!

anal sex causes diseases and santorum. it is evil. an evil atheist invention.

 

[Marco19]

As long as Atheists are tolerance and accepting others right to believe or worship as they want, then i think they will remain on the top of the rank.
who knows they could become exampler to religious countries to reform and become tolerance too!
at the end, who cares if the country was religious or Atheist! the important issue is to have a peaceful life, like different roses in one garden.

 

[Tristesse]

anal sex causes diseases and santorum. it is evil. an evil atheist invention.

It causes men to wear sweater vests? Now that should be outlawed.

 

[Marble]

anal sex causes diseases and santorum.

I knew something is wrong with that guy...