Non Religious countries do better

[jamesmorrow]

I knew something is wrong with that guy...

no. i dont mean rick santorum. rick is a good christian man. how dare you disrespect him like this...

i mean filthy santorum paste/juice and diseases.....its not rick's fault that his god given name also refers to a byproduct of evil homosexual atheist communist environmentalist anal sports.

 

[work in progress]

If you argue like that you can take any facts for any topic and say "Causation, or merely correlation?

Look at the facts...

I think you missed his point here! Even though I'm an atheist, I'm inclined to believe that secularism depends on developing a relatively prosperous,lower stress society, where organized religion has less of a role to play in everyone's lives. If we look at the religious impoverished nations on your **** list; is it any surprise that people who are struggling to get enough food to feed their families, and drinking less-than-safe drinking water, are going to be looking for a better life in an afterworld, and will look to the church or the mosque for help?

Much is made of the fact that the U.S. is an anomaly among the developed nations, being much more religious than Europe etc. But the U.S. has greater income gaps and less government institutions for support than Europe does. I'm going to be interested in seeing how economic problems facing Europe affect religiosity and church membership numbers in the coming years. My hunch is that a Europe facing economic turmoil and uncertainty, will be a lot less secular and non-religious than it is today!

 

[besart]

The reason for that is (in my opinion) poor people turn to religion to “save” them from their current situation. I think atheism is a result of a good living standard. “Religion is the wealth of poor people”. People want to believe that there is something after this crap-hole, “poetic justice”.

 

[Davie]

There is no stability in the world. The rich are richer and the poor are poorer. The rich countries are looting the poor countries day by day. If the atheist were religious and scared by God the world will be more of a beautifull place.

 

[Davie]

Atheism is not a result of good living standards. People are poor while they live in a resource rich country. The Elites and government loot othe countries with war.

 

[jamesmorrow]

There is no stability in the world. The rich are richer and the poor are poorer. The rich countries are looting the poor countries day by day. If the atheist were religious and scared by God the world will be more of a beautifull place.

true. we have corruption because atheists dont fear god....thats why the greedy capitalist right wing propaganda machine, who loves war and hates providing incentives and welfare for its own citizens is made up of atheists not christians as we see on fox news.

 

[ankarali]

They are not atheist countries only China, Cuba, Korea North are atheist countries. A people can't live without a religion we see it very well in the exemple of ex U.R.S.S.

 

[jamesmorrow]

They are not atheist countries only China, Cuba, Korea North are atheist countries. A people can't live without a religion we see it very well in the exemple of ex U.R.S.S.

a people cant live with religion we see it very well in the exemple of ex ottoman empire.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Small note: mostly it's the Norse countries rocking in the top positions on these lists.

Take that, Christians.

 

[besart]

Atheism is not a result of good living standards. People are poor while they live in a resource rich country. The Elites and government loot othe countries with war.

You don’t make sense. If you have good living standards you aren’t poor. And I was talking on an individual basis. Not as a country. Poor people, or people who aren’t happy with their current situation usually turn to religion or some other sort of belief to take them out of their present situation.

 

[work in progress]

a people cant live with religion we see it very well in the exemple of ex ottoman empire.

From what little I read of the history of the Ottoman Empire, they seemed to have run a very secular administration....at least in the last few centuries of their rule. They had Greeks, Jews, Armenians and even poets and scientists who were accused of being atheists, as part of the royal court of advisers. The appearance of the events in recent history is that the aggressive aspects of Muslim fundamentalism...especially the repressions and persecutions of non-Muslim minorities who were mostly left alone before the fall of the Empire, was that it all started after the fall of the last Caliphate and colonialization and then Western-backed nationalist governments took their place.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

The countries that were actually built from the ground up by the hands of athiests such as the communist countries were and still are backwards in almost every way. Obviously, the failed economic policies of communism play a large role in that but that doesn't explain the wide spread human rights violations that took place under these atheistic regimes.

 

[Father Heathen]

Very few atheists live like their philosophy of life is true. Most live like there is purpose and meaning in life, like there is such a thing as personhood, like there are moral values and duties in life, and like we should take care of the weak and old. In fact most all of them live like Christians, so the OP is debunked.

But none of those things conflict with atheism, so it is in fact not debunked.

Explain why you think an invisible sky daddy would be a prerequisite for having meaning, compassion, ethics, etc.

I think we've had this exact same conversation before. You keep bringing the same tired garbage to the table, and we keep refuting it.

 

[Father Heathen]

The countries that were actually built from the ground up by the hands of athiests such as the communist countries were and still are backwards in almost every way. Obviously, the failed economic policies of communism play a large role in that but that doesn't explain the wide spread human rights violations that took place under these atheistic regimes.

Communism is an economic model. Not all communists are atheists, and not all atheists are communist. Your babble is irrelevant.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well let's say that an atheist is born in the US, where the laws and Christian values of freedoms are ingrained in society, then the atheist will think those are their values. But the atheist value system is more like them being born an animal where survival of the fittest rules and its kill or be killed and there is no morals or intrinsic value in any creature other than for food.

What are these values that you think originated from and are exclusive to christianity? This should be interesting...

 

[Father Heathen]

The ToE doesn't predict morals and ethics.

Neither does gravity, so what's your point? And has as been explained a billions times before; the concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive. Morals and ethics arise from reason and compassion, which believe or not, don't require a cloud surfing wizard.

 

[Father Heathen]

Is that why modern bioethics says that mankind is no more important than a weed in a garden? How many atheists go by that?

None. Of course humans are of greater value than a weed (weeds don't hope, dream and create), but contrary to what you claim, the ability to see the obvious doesn't require a pinch of pixy dust.

The more you post, the more you prove the OP's point.

 

[Father Heathen]

There is no way for the atheist to know whether the Golden Rule is good or bad for society.

Um, of course there is. It's called cause and effect, experience, observation and logic. All of which require utilitizing the brain, which might be why you're unfamiliar with them.

 

[Father Heathen]

Let's talk about projectionism for a moment, you are projecting morals and values as coming from the ToE.

No one is doing that. The theory of evolution has no more to do with morals than the theory of gravity does. If you don't understand something, you have no business trying to debate it. It makes you appear as a fool and no one will take you seriously.

 

[Father Heathen]

their worldview says that humans are no more important than weeds in a garden.

Didn't your bible say something about bearing false witness? Best get down on them knees and pray for forgiveness, boy.