Non-Theist

[crossfire]

Atheism and theism are about god belief, no more, no less. Atheist and theist, is the person with the belief about god. And more specifically, theism is the belief that a god exist, therefore a theist is a person with that belief.

I agree so far.

And a non-theist, or not theist, is a person that doesn't have the belief that a god exist. An atheist is a person that doesn't have that belief. No where does non-theist refers to religion

Disagree here. Non-theist does indeed apply to religious practices that are not distinctly theistic. They were formerly called atheistic practices until the word atheist became specifically about belief, not religion, so the term non-theistic came to be used to distinguish these practices from distinctly theistic worship.

Whenever "theistic" and "non-theistic" are used with religion, they are describing a religion's belief in regards to a god.

No, it refers to theistic practices such as worship or deity practice and religious practices that are not distinctly theistic that can be practiced by anyone, regardless of belief.

It strictly refers to just the religion and not those people who practice the religion. Knowing what the prefix and suffix means and how they effect the "root" word is important. You are using "theism," "theist," and "theistic" interchangeably, when they all have a slightly different meaning from one another.

Theism, theist, and theistic all refer to deity. Non-theistic means not theistic--not requiring a deity.

To repeat an example I gave earlier: a Deist believes in a god that is uninvolved and does not care. Therefore, deity practice would seem to be futile and ineffective to a Deist, so any religious practice a Deist does would not involve a deity--it would be non-theistic practice.

A Deist is not an atheist, but any religious practices they do would be non-theistic in order to line up with their beliefs. Their belief that theistic practice is ineffective would make them religious non-theists.

A religious Deist = nontheist practitioner--does not believe in theistic practice--
A religious Deist ≠ atheist
Therefore, the statement nontheist = atheist is not necessarily true.

 

[night912]

I agree so far.

Disagree here. Non-theist does indeed apply to religious practices that are not distinctly theistic. They were formerly called atheistic practices until the word atheist became specifically about belief, not religion, so the term non-theistic came to be used to distinguish these practices from distinctly theistic worship.


No, it refers to theistic practices such as worship or deity practice and religious practices that are not distinctly theistic that can be practiced by anyone, regardless of belief.
Wrong. Perhaps you need to go back to grammer school and retake English language class. Adjectives describes the noun in which it precedes, and/or describing. The adjectives, "theistic/non-theistic" when talking about religion, are referring to the religion.

Theism, theist, and theistic all refer to deity. Non-theistic means not theistic--not requiring a deity.

To repeat an example I gave earlier: a Deist believes in a god that is uninvolved and does not care. Therefore, deity practice would seem to be futile and ineffective to a Deist, so any religious practice a Deist does would not involve a deity--it would be non-theistic practice.

A Deist is not an atheist, but any religious practices they do would be non-theistic in order to line up with their beliefs. Their belief that theistic practice is ineffective would make them religious non-theists.

A religious Deist = nontheist practitioner--does not believe in theistic practice--
A religious Deist ≠ atheist
Therefore, the statement nontheist = atheist is not necessarily true.

Wrong again. Theism has nothing to do with religion. And that's the one thing that you cannot grasp, therefore making you being confused and not understand all of this.

Religious ≠ non-theist/theist/theistic/theism

Like I said earlier, learn what prefix and suffix means and how they define the root word. Wait for the corona virus epidemic to end, then go back to grammer school and retake English language so you can understand all of this. If you cannot grasp something as simple as that, there's no need to further the discussion, and you being added to my ignore list. Good luck. And hopefully you don't your English class.

 

[ClimbingTheLadder]

A nontheist is an umbrella term that can refer to an atheist, or an agnostic, or an apatheist, etc. etc.

i.e. Anyone of any kind of nontheism.

As if you guys really didn't know!

Which would make me a non-atheist, which means I am "without a lack of god(s)"

 

[crossfire]

Wrong again. Theism has nothing to do with religion. And that's the one thing that you cannot grasp, therefore making you being confused and not understand all of this.

Religious ≠ non-theist/theist/theistic/theism

Like I said earlier, learn what prefix and suffix means and how they define the root word. Wait for the corona virus epidemic to end, then go back to grammer school and retake English language so you can understand all of this. If you cannot grasp something as simple as that, there's no need to further the discussion, and you being added to my ignore list. Good luck. And hopefully you don't your English class.

Sorry dude. There are distinctly theistic religious practices (worship) as well as religious practices which are not distinctly theistic. Theistic practices often require some sort of initiation, whereas non-theistic religious practices do not.

I've asked you several times in this thread as to which term you would use to distinguish between theistic worship, which is engaged in by theists, and non-theistic religious practices, which can be practiced by anyone--theist, nontheist, or anyone else. So, what term would you use to describe these religious practices not involving a deity that would set them apart from the theistic worship practices?

 

[night912]

Which would make me a non-atheist, which means I am "without a lack of god(s)"

If you fix your statement just a bit, then you would be correct. And if you are a theist, you would not be a non-theist. And if you are an atheist, you would not be a non-atheist.

You are a non-atheist, meaning that you are "without a lack of belief that a god exist."

What you said would make some theists not qualify for that label because they might not believe that a god is part of them. They lack a god inside of them.