Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

[Katzpur]

So these aren't 3 personalities of God. They're just the same God manifested in different ways. And there are other manifestations of God as well.

So you're saying that God is His own Son, and that Jesus is His own Father? When Stephen "looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God," what exactly do you think He was seeing?

 

[cataway]

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness''
any one feel like they have 3 faces

 

[InChrist]

(This is for people who consider themselves some kind of Christian but who reject the trinity)

Many find it mind-boggling and consider it a mystery, and leave it as that

Others are quick to dismiss it as non-sensical rubbish

Some have a major problem with "The Son" part of it

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

And why are some people so quick to reject it?

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

So, non-Trinitarians - what's wrong with all this? (pic related)

What are your problems with it?

Why are you non-Trinitarian?

Please tell

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Makes perfect sense to me, but I must say it didn’t make sense at all and I rejected the Trinity until I was born again.

 

[Katzpur]

Makes perfect sense to me, but I must say it didn’t make sense at all and I rejected the Trinity until I was born again.

I'm born again and it still doesn't make sense to me. It probably didn't make any sense to most people until 325 A.D. when they were told that accepting it was a prerequisite for salvation.

 

[InChrist]

I'm born again and it still doesn't make sense to me. It probably didn't make any sense to most people until 325 A.D. when they were told that accepting it was a prerequisite for salvation.

It was not a prerequisite for me. I visited a Christian Bible church one Sunday, never had been there before and walked out of there saying to my husband, “Well, the people were nice and all, but I don’t know how anyone can believe the Trinity nonsense “.
One week later, at home, not in a church, nor associated with any church both my husband and trusted Jesus Christ and Him alone as our Savior. We were born again, all things became new and everything seemed different. Our perception of our lives, the world, people, the spiritual realm changed... and the Trinity. It just made sense, we both knew it was true.

 

[InChrist]

I'm born again and it still doesn't make sense to me. It probably didn't make any sense to most people until 325 A.D. when they were told that accepting it was a prerequisite for salvation.

By the way, if you study the scriptures and history you’ll find that Constantine can no more be blamed for inventing the Trinity than He can be said to have switched worship from Saturday to Sunday, since the early Christians were already gathering for worship on the first day of the week. In similar fashion the concept of God’s triune Nature was also understood by the Apostles and early church.

 

[Duke_Leto]

It was not a prerequisite for me. I visited a Christian Bible church one Sunday, never had been there before and walked out of there saying to my husband, “Well, the people were nice and all, but I don’t know how anyone can believe the Trinity nonsense “.
One week later, at home, not in a church, nor associated with any church both my husband and trusted Jesus Christ and Him alone as our Savior. We were born again, all things became new and everything seemed different. Our perception of our lives, the world, people, the spiritual realm changed... and the Trinity. It just made sense, we both knew it was true.

Meaning you didn't think about it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

Umm... sounds like you've accepted Partialism, not Trinitarianism.

Trinitarian Heresies

 

[InChrist]

Meaning you didn't think about it.

Didn’t think about what? If you are referring to the Trinity, then I will say at the moment I trusted in Jesus Christ I did not think about it, but I had over a period of several years thought about it and decided it was nonsense...until after I was born again and had my mind enlightened and changed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[InChrist]

"Monotheistic Trinitarianism" was one of the irrational concepts that started me questioning the Catholic Christianity I was born and raised in. I knew it was an oxymoron before I even knew that word.

How could Abraham, Moses, Samuel, & Co. possibly not know about this?
How can Christianity be anything but totally blowing off the 1st Commandment? I understand that Islam is more of a variant, it's still utterly monotheistic...
Christianity is a whole new theological concept. A heresy. One that would have gotten you stoned to death for much of Biblical history.

When I was about 12 or so, I got hold of a Bible I could read for myself. I expected to find something, somewhere, to explain this. But it didn't happen, it's just not there.
Trinitarianism is not Scriptural.
Tom

I was raised Catholic and also left that religion as well as rejected the concept of the Trinity as false nonsense, but no longer after knowing Jesus as Savior.
I don’t see Christianity as blowing off the first commandment or doubt the real relationship Abraham, Moses, Samuel had with God. Yet, I do not consider Christianity to be heretical. The scriptures show that God just chose to progressively reveal information about Himself and His Being in increments to humanity. There are definitely passages and hints in the OT disclosing and pointing to the triune nature of God and the Apostles as well as Thomas who doubted at first recognized that Jesus was God, equal and the same as the God of Israel revealed to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... when he as a Jew said to Jesus, “ My Lord and my God”.

 

[Dawnofhope]

(This is for people who consider themselves some kind of Christian but who reject the trinity)

Many find it mind-boggling and consider it a mystery, and leave it as that

Others are quick to dismiss it as non-sensical rubbish

Some have a major problem with "The Son" part of it

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

And why are some people so quick to reject it?

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

So, non-Trinitarians - what's wrong with all this? (pic related)

What are your problems with it?

Why are you non-Trinitarian?

Please tell

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Being one who believes in the three core elements of the trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit I find the trinity useful as an initial attempt to consider the relationship between the three. I don’t see it as necessary. If believers find it helpful I’m all for it. If believers find it a hindrance they should feel free to abandon it. I’m a non-trinitarian.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

"Monotheistic Trinitarianism" was one of the irrational concepts that started me questioning the Catholic Christianity I was born and raised in. I knew it was an oxymoron before I even knew that word.

How could Abraham, Moses, Samuel, & Co. possibly not know about this?
How can Christianity be anything but totally blowing off the 1st Commandment? I understand that Islam is more of a variant, it's still utterly monotheistic...
Christianity is a whole new theological concept. A heresy. One that would have gotten you stoned to death for much of Biblical history.

When I was about 12 or so, I got hold of a Bible I could read for myself. I expected to find something, somewhere, to explain this. But it didn't happen, it's just not there.
Trinitarianism is not Scriptural.
Tom

They sorta did. I mean, in the early tradition of Judaism, God was known to personify as all sorts of things, most norably as a pillar of fire or as a burning bush, but sometimes in the form of a man. In any case, God was a deity who appeared directly to his people, and traveled with them in a tent. All of this changed when the Temple was built, the priests wanted to hide God behind a thick curtain (this is the real reason Jesus came, besides our sins, to tear this curtain down). This personal relationship is Jesus.

The Jews also had a sense of an all-pervasive spirit within everyone (and probably everything). This is mentioned less, but we do hear about the "spirit of the Lord" leaving Saul, and him shortly thereafter becoming possessed by an evil spirit.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

It was not a prerequisite for me. I visited a Christian Bible church one Sunday, never had been there before and walked out of there saying to my husband, “Well, the people were nice and all, but I don’t know how anyone can believe the Trinity nonsense “.
One week later, at home, not in a church, nor associated with any church both my husband and trusted Jesus Christ and Him alone as our Savior. We were born again, all things became new and everything seemed different. Our perception of our lives, the world, people, the spiritual realm changed... and the Trinity. It just made sense, we both knew it was true.

Huh?!? I know this can happen, but it feels like there is a missing event here in this story.

As for the Trinitarian heresies, I think that I'm a modalist. I just can't understand the Trinity without thinking of God as three different parts, a Creator who is basically some sort of being far above our understanding, a Spirit (I always wind up with a Shinto animism thing) that is in everything that exists, and a Person who is the bridge to God and Man. I believe this because I'm not sure how Trinity works otherwise.

Ohhh, it says they're kinda in different eras.

 

[Katzpur]

By the way, if you study the scriptures and history you’ll find that Constantine can no more be blamed for inventing the Trinity than He can be said to have switched worship from Saturday to Sunday, since the early Christians were already gathering for worship on the first day of the week. In similar fashion the concept of God’s triune Nature was also understood by the Apostles and early church.

I've never even implied that Constantine should be blamed for coming up with the concept of the Trinity, so there's no need for you to try to fall back on that argument. If you can show me any evidence that the Apostles understood the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to all be a part of an indivisible substance, I'd enjoy reading their words.

 

[pearl]

IMO, to understand the Trinity one must understand the use of the Greek concept of "essence" that is heavily used in not only the early Church but also used in the NT since it was written in Greek.

And that the Trinity is central not only to the Roman church but also the Orthodox, although with differences.

"Without wishing to resolve yet the difficulties which have arisen between East and West concerning the relationship between the Son and the Spirit, we can already say together that this Spirit, which proceeds from the Father (Jn. 15:26) as the sole source in the Trinity and which has become the Spirit of our sonship (Rom. 8:15) since he is also the Spirit of the Son (Gal. 4:6), is communicated to us particularly in the Eucharist by this Son upon whom he reposes in time and in eternity (Jn. 1:32)."
On the basis of Jn. 15:26, this Symbol confesses the Spirit "to ek tou Patros ekporeuomenon" ("who takes his origin from the Father"). The Father alone is the principle without principle (arche anarchos) of the two other persons of the Trinity, the sole source (peghe) of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit, therefore, takes his origin from the Father alone (ek monou tou Patros) in a principal, proper, and immediate manner.

Library : The Father as the Source of the Whole Trinity: The Procession of the Holy Spirit in Greek and Latin Traditions

 

[pearl]

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness''
any one feel like they have 3 faces

Better question; whom was God addressing?, there is a dialogue within God.

 

[axxxa_3]

(This is for people who consider themselves some kind of Christian but who reject the trinity)

Many find it mind-boggling and consider it a mystery, and leave it as that

Others are quick to dismiss it as non-sensical rubbish

Some have a major problem with "The Son" part of it

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

And why are some people so quick to reject it?

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

So, non-Trinitarians - what's wrong with all this? (pic related)

What are your problems with it?

Why are you non-Trinitarian?

Please tell

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This is such a confusing thing. I'm sorry this just doesn't make sense.

You Christians say that the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are 3 divine persons in one. I may not be that good with math but I know for a fact that 1 + 1 + 1 cannot possibly give you 1.

And you say it yourselves, they are 3 DIFFERENT PERSONS.

In Islam, we believe that God is unique and no other partner or object is associated with him. He was not created and he has no children.

You also say that Jesus is the son of God. So logically you're saying that Mary gave birth to her own God??

The trinity lacks both common sense and logic. You talk about trinity but not ONCE is the word "Trinity" mentioned in the Bible... There is only 1 verse in the complete bible that comes close to the trinity in the Gospel of John Chapter 5 Verse 7 which says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." but there are 32 Christian scholars that revised the bible and they all say that this verse of the bible is a FABRICATION and it was thrown out of the Bible.

However, it IS mentioned in the Quran in Surah Al Nisa' Chapter 4 Verse 171 "Say not "Trinity" it will be better for you"

Jesus Christ peace be upon him never said he was God and the concept of Trinity doesn't even exist in the Bible! He never said "I am God or worship Me"

In fact, Jesus states in the Gospel of John Chapter 5 Verse 30 "I can of my own self do nothing". This just proves that Jesus is not God because God is self-sufficient He does not need anything or anyone.

I hope this answer satisfies you and if you have more questions it would be my pleasure to answer them )

 

[firedragon]

(This is for people who consider themselves some kind of Christian but who reject the trinity)

Many find it mind-boggling and consider it a mystery, and leave it as that

Others are quick to dismiss it as non-sensical rubbish

Some have a major problem with "The Son" part of it

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

And why are some people so quick to reject it?

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

So, non-Trinitarians - what's wrong with all this? (pic related)

What are your problems with it?

Why are you non-Trinitarian?

Please tell

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Hmm.

Well, what if one says "the problem i have with the trinity is that the Bible nowhere spells it out though its the primary, most important, foundation of your faith"?

Do you understand what spells it out means? Simple.

God should simply say "God is three, father, son and the holy ghost are three persons but one person".

Since the Bible doesnt say that anywhere, thats whats wrong with the trinity one may say. What do you say?

 

[MJ Bailey]

Trinity is only one number in relevance in which you seek. So why are you questioning?

 

[MJ Bailey]

Why such a trivial question if you are so sure of the answer?