Nov 11 - Draft Dodger Day

[Revoltingest]

Right after Veterans Day is a good time to celebrate the
contributions of those brave, cowardly, upstanding, selfish,
& otherwise motivated men who refused conscription.
They (we) made wrongful wars harder to wage by denying
their (our) services to a thuggish government, & by raising
awareness.
Hug a draft dodger today.
And kudos to our allies, who opposed the draft & the war.
(Hug them instead of me. I'm not into human contact.)

I'd have called it Draft Resister Day, it lacked alliteration.

 

[Estro Felino]

Those were good, indeed...but...
I will never understand those who want others to go to war, they demand it.
But they remain home...warm and safe.
That's a mystery.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Wouldn't that be tomorrow? Today (November 11) is Veteran's Day.

 

[Revoltingest]

Those were good, indeed...but...
I will never understand those who want others to go to war, they demand it.
But they remain home...warm and safe.
That's a mystery.

No mystery.
War lust is common.
And the desire to remain safe while forcing
others to risk life & limb in war is also common.
Self preservation, eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wouldn't that be tomorrow? Today (November 11) is Veteran's Day.

Yes indeedie!

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Also while today is for all Veterans, those living who sacrificed, this does not include Tom Brady

 

[Revoltingest]

Also while today is for all Veterans, those living who sacrificed, this does not include Tom Brady

Why?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

He made some dumbass comment (honestly pissed me off a bit) that heading out for Football Season was exactly the same as a soldier deploying for war.

 

[Revoltingest]

He made some dumbass comment (honestly pissed me off a bit) that heading out for Football Season was exactly the same as a soldier deploying for war.

Well, there is all the training & motivation necessary for both.
At least in football the pay is better, & the risk of death lower.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The pay is way better, as well as the aftercare and (ironically) American idolization. He also doesn't have to leave wondering every single time if he'll be back - for him, death is a very miniscule concern no different than you or I walking out our front door. For a solider deploying, it's a very real and strong possibility. As the child and sibling of veterans, what he said barbed me the very wrong way.

 

[Revoltingest]

The pay is way better, as well as the aftercare and (ironically) American idolization. He also doesn't have to leave wondering every single time if he'll be back - for him, death is a very miniscule concern no different than you or I walking out our front door. For a solider deploying, it's a very real and strong possibility. As the child and sibling of veterans, what he said barbed me the very wrong way.

Many veterans didn't worry either.
Most of them are REMFs (75% to 90% per various estimates)
What Percentage of The Military Sees Combat? - Thesoldiersproject

Edit...
For the unfamiliar, REMF = Rear Echelon Mother ******.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Oh of course, but the comparison isn't being made between all veterans; it was specific to going to war.

Like, even within the veteran community, you see that divide (what the study points out). Typically those who did see war don't really like all the "Thank you for your service" stuff and Hero attention. Then you've got the desk jockey fobbits (no, they're not all Air Force) who just eat it up and love all the discounts and attention. It's pretty easy to tell who sacrificed and who didn't.

 

[sun rise]

No mystery.
War lust is common.
And the desire to remain safe while forcing
others to risk life & limb in war is also common.
Self preservation, eh.

So you'd be happy to live under a government where I would have been killed long since and you would have had to worship the tyrant. Have fun goose-stepping today because you would choose selfish self-preservation over everything else.

 

[sun rise]

 

[Revoltingest]

So you'd be happy to live under a government where I would have been killed long since and you would have had to worship the tyrant. Have fun goose-stepping today because you would choose selfish self-preservation over everything else.

Goodness, you sure do think strange things.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'd have called it Draft Resister Day, it lacked alliteration.

Draft Denier Day rolls off the tongue.

The point to be made seems obvious: "mandatory service" is simply pretty print for "involuntary servitude," while service to an oppressive effort is a disservice to humanity.

 

[Shaul]

Instead of Draft Dodger day why not call it Yellow Bellied Coward's day?

 

[metis]

So, a believer in non-violence is to be called a "draft-dodger" and made fun of? So, it's shame on the likes of Gandhi, MLK, Desmond Tutu, Cesar Chavez, Henry David Thoreau, the Amish, the Mennonites, J.W.'s, etc.?


Had I been drafted during the Vietnan "War" period, which could have happened, and if I had gone with my conscience and refused to serve in combat, I'm a coward? My wife & I had plans to move to Canada if that had happened. So, shame on us because we're "cowards"? If ya say so, I guess so, but that's not the reason why I would have refused to kill others in a war we thought was totally immoral.


BTW, I do honor those that did go and fight, such as one of my best friends, but I just couldn't do it because of conscience.

 

[The Hammer]

Instead of Draft Dodger day why not call it Yellow Bellied Coward's day?

Now now. Let them have their fun too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Instead of Draft Dodger day why not call it Yellow Bellied Coward's day?

Because that wouldn't include all other possible
motives, eg, opposition to that war or all war,
unconstitutionality of conscription (SCOTUS
rulings notwithstanding), better things to do with
one's time, rejection of government's authority.

There are plenty of good reasons, although fear
of being maimed or killed is really cromulent too.
Besides, if we allowed such mischief in holiday
naming, then today might be Baby Killer Day.
Bad idea, eh.