Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[oldbadger]

As does natural vaccinations.

If you are frightened about vaccination then that's up to you.
We've had our double jabs now and will get boosters this autumn. And we get the flu jab this month.

 

[ecco]

What I wonder is, why isn't there more emphasis on how to get people well if they have contracted it?

See post #248. @ElishaElijah has the answers to your question.

Understand - I am not recommending anything he posted. But you seem to be birds of a feather. Do let us know how ingesting or injecting Hydroxychloriquine works for you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can do whatever you want to do.

However,
I did address the points you made. I pointed out that a treatment from a neurologist was not comparable to getting a vaccine.

That being the case, why did you post such an analogy?




Perhaps the problem is in the validity of the points you are trying to make. If the points are not valid, there can be no reasonable discussion.

If you don't want people with opposing ideas to comment on your posts, you could probably limit yourself to Facebook posts and disallow any dissenters.

If you want to spread your unscientific opinions on RF then I and others will call you out.

This is better. It helps to look at context without seeing it as a rebuttle. That way if you ask clarification I can explain without needing to always defend myself with your tone.

Anyway.

Think about it. I go to any nuerologist I don't know and he tells me take dilantin it will save your (and others) lives

1. It's proven by science
2. Data says it works
3. There's rarely adverse side effects other than say weight gain
4. Thousands of people take it for seizures
5. Majority of them may have controlled seizures

So what.

That doctor doesn't know me. The ones who do would know THAT med won't work for me despite the data.

I'm not convinced because my doctor and I decided it's not in my best interest.

It's not the data. It's what's in my best interest. Call it selfish but I weigh taking the vaccine just as I weigh any other meds.

The difference is not all doctors know about vaccines. So no, data in itself doesn't convince me. Whether it is applicable does.

I mean I could be asymptomatic, I don't know. I didn't wake up one day with COVID. Put me in a high risk environment that would be different.

But right now all you guys are thousands of miles away from me. So, it's all opinion.

The points I was getting at was

1. I don't take vaccines and meds unless I consult with a doctor who knows me. Vaccines and meds may work fine and gave all good data in the world but it needs to be assessed by whether it is appropriate to ones own health.

The people giving vaccines most aren't license doctors. They're just giving it and they have protection against lawsuits if anything went wrong. Which means if you have a disability and take meds (like I do) and take the vsx without consulting my doctor whatever consequence is my fault. I can't control if I get COVID but I can if my health conflicts with the vaccine. Weigh risk and benefits.

2. I didn't wake up one day and become asymptomatic. Unless I out myself at risk it's pretty much unknown and I don't fret unless I need to

3. You guys are thousands of miles away from me so unless you know me all is opinion

Telling people to talk with your doctor first is not unscientific. It's a wise thing to do before you inject anything in you, take a med, do a treatment.

Lay people aren't experts so be mindful of your health regardless your circumstance. If COVID is your heightest concern, get the vax. If not, it's up to you.

I'm not promoting it either way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You have not challenged my comments.
I challenged your biased, unsupported opinions with facts.

You don't like it when people point out your biased opinions. In my case, you call it being sarcastic. Oh, well.

Both of us are biased. I choose not to be sarcastic about it. Whether to take the vax is a personal choice. If an expert tells you to take med X and you take it because he is an expert there's a problem. Lots of docs are experts. Not all docs get to know you personally.

The vaccine is effective and backed by science if one likes but that means nothing if you take it out of whim. If we can question med (vaccine, whatever) are own doctor gives you why not triple check if a expert stranger tells you to get it?

 

[Kenny]

Link does not work for me.

Not sure what to do... I pressed it and it comes up. Maybe need to clear cache?

 

[Kenny]

If you are frightened about vaccination then that's up to you.
We've had our double jabs now and will get boosters this autumn. And we get the flu jab this month.

Not frightened at all. I'm glad you are doing fine!

 

[Kenny]

See post #248. @ElishaElijah has the answers to your question.

Understand - I am not recommending anything he posted. But you seem to be birds of a feather. Do let us know how ingesting or injecting Hydroxychloriquine works for you.

Thanks for the update and the info.

Will update if anything happens.

 

[metis]

Which vaccination has required a booster in 8 months?

It's not required but highly recommended because antibodies dissipate over time, which also includes those generated by the vaccines. Some of the researchers are already saying that there's a good chance the covid vaccines may become a yearly thing, much like the flu vaccines.

Do we even really know if the "booster" works and for how long? (obviously not enough time has passed to know that answer

Yes, as in both the cases with Pfizer and Moderna, it's really the same shot, and the first two shots have already been tested and show to be much more effective than having just one. However, how the rate of dissipation with the booster probably is unknown at this time, but that's still no reason not to get it.

I deal with the science on this, especially relying on "Scientific American" that reports on this research with usually several articles in each issue nowadays, and getting the vaccines, especially Pfizer and Moderna, has shown to be so much safer than not getting one at all, even if one has already had covid.

Since people who have vaccines can still get Covid, is that a "booster" "naturally" anyways?

The booster is not "natural" since it involves a cut & paste methodology with a simulated virus that's like covid. IOW, it tricks the body into "thinking" that it has covid.

(I'm not saying don't get a booster or don't get a vaccine) for the record.

Yep, let the virologists do their work, and then I recommend that we "go with the flow" on what they come up with. The nastiest thing that has happening in this arena is with the politically-partisan talking-heads spouting nonsense as if they know what they're talking about.

 

[Wandering Monk]

It's not required but highly recommended because antibodies dissipate over time, which also includes those generated by the vaccines. Some of the researchers are already saying that there's a good chance the covid vaccines may become a yearly thing, much like the flu vaccines.

Yes, as in both the cases with Pfizer and Moderna, it's really the same shot, and the first two shots have already been tested and show to be much more effective than having just one. However, how the rate of dissipation with the booster probably is unknown at this time, but that's still no reason not to get it.

I deal with the science on this, especially relying on "Scientific American" that reports on this research with usually several articles in each issue nowadays, and getting the vaccines, especially Pfizer and Moderna, has shown to be so much safer than not getting one at all, even if one has already had covid.

The booster is not "natural" since it involves a cut & paste methodology with a simulated virus that's like covid. IOW, it tricks the body into "thinking" that it has covid.

Yep, let the virologists do their work, and then I recommend that we "go with the flow" on what they come up with. The nastiest thing that has happening in this arena is with the politically-partisan talking-heads spouting nonsense as if they know what they're talking about.

Antibodies are only PART of immune response to previously encountered viruses. Other elements persist over longer periods. People who got infected with SARS1 in 2003 still have memory T cells and B cells the body produced during their infection.

Adaptive immune system - Wikipedia

 

[metis]

Antibodies are only PART of immune response to previously encountered viruses. Other elements persist over longer periods. People who got infected with SARS1 in 2003 still have memory T cells and B cells the body produced during their infection.

Adaptive immune system - Wikipedia

Exactly, as your body "remembers" what had previously invaded it. But with us "mature" [I prefer "vintage"] people, that process gets weakened over time, and let me tell you that it's not just the only thing that gets weakened.

 

[ecco]

1. I don't take vaccines and meds unless I consult with a doctor who knows me. Vaccines and meds may work fine and gave all good data in the world but it needs to be assessed by whether it is appropriate to ones own health.

Based on your posts, you have not taken the vaccine. Is that because your primary care physician, who does know you, told you you should not take it?

The people giving vaccines most aren't license doctors.

The people who are administering the shots are licensed to give injections of various kinds, including vaccines. It has nothing to do with liability. When something is found to be wrong with drugs, no one sues the pharmacies where the drugs were purchased. The go after the manufacturer.

3. You guys are thousands of miles away from me so unless you know me all is opinion

You have not stated a medical reason as to why you have not gotten the vaccines. You have stated a lot of information from many questionable sources. So, yeah, we know enough to make judgments.

Telling people to talk with your doctor first is not unscientific. It's a wise thing to do before you inject anything in you, take a med, do a treatment.

Have you? Did he tell you to not take the covid vax?

I'm not promoting it either way.

Reading your posts gives a different impression.

 

[ecco]

Both of us are biased. I choose not to be sarcastic about it. Whether to take the vax is a personal choice. If an expert tells you to take med X and you take it because he is an expert there's a problem. Lots of docs are experts. Not all docs get to know you personally.

The vaccine is effective and backed by science if one likes but that means nothing if you take it out of whim. If we can question med (vaccine, whatever) are own doctor gives you why not triple check if a expert stranger tells you to get it?

See post # 274 above.

 

[ecco]

Not sure what to do... I pressed it and it comes up. Maybe need to clear cache?

So, now you are a computer expert as well? Really? Where did you hear that?

 

[oldbadger]

Not frightened at all. I'm glad you are doing fine!

....then you might think about getting vaxxed, Ken.
Once most people are vaxxed the serious cases will decline, the deaths will fall away, any mask mandates will diminish, social distancing can relax, cafes and restaurants can all open, bus and coach travel is safer, ..... places start opening up.
Think about it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Based on your posts, you have not taken the vaccine. Is that because your primary care physician, who does know you, told you you should not take it?

Of course not. I said this multiple times in near all my posts in one way or another.

You haven't kept up with my posts.

But I don't expect people too.

I listed the reasons I don't take the vaccine. Medical concerns are part of it but not the only reason.

Even if I had a medical exemption (assuming I felt it important to ask) I "could" still get COVID.

The people who are administering the shots are licensed to give injections of various kinds, including vaccines. It has nothing to do with liability. When something is found to be wrong with drugs, no one sues the pharmacies where the drugs were purchased. The go after the manufacturer.

I will post it later from CDC. It talks about being an volunteering administrator to give the vax and exclusions for law suits cause of emergency approval. I created a thread on it but I dont think it was approved.

You have not stated a medical reason as to why you have not gotten the vaccines. You have stated a lot of information from many questionable sources. So, yeah, we know enough to make judgments.

I haven't, no. I make no excuse. I will not take it.

CDC is a questionable source?

Reading your posts gives a different impression.

Impressions aren't facts.

Where have I literally told people to get the vaccine and not to get it?

Where have I told people they did not have the freedom to choose themselves based on their circumstance?

Any reader will told you I've repeated these things countless times.

They don't need to agree to say yes.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@ecco. Take that back, it's this site about liability

https://www.phe.gov/emergency/event...-from-Liability-for-COVID-19-Vaccinators.aspx

PREP Act Immunity from Liability for COVID-19 Vaccinators

When the Secretary determines that a threat or condition constitutes a present or credible risk of a future public health emergency, the Secretary may issue a PREP Act declaration. The declaration provides immunity from liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the administration or use of covered countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions identified in the declaration.

 

[ecco]

@ecco. Take that back, it's this site about liability

Take what back? The least you can do is quote what I said so that I know what you are talking about.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Take what back? The least you can do is quote what I said so that I know what you are talking about.

The people who are administering the shots are licensed to give injections of various kinds, including vaccines. It has nothing to do with liability. When something is found to be wrong with drugs, no one sues the pharmacies where the drugs were purchased. The go after the manufacturer.

It was in reference to this. There isn't liability so third parties may not be liable for non intentional misconduct.

So if one has adverse reactions they can't be held liable for it. People take the vaccine at their own risk.

 

[Kenny]

....then you might think about getting vaxxed, Ken.
Once most people are vaxxed the serious cases will decline, the deaths will fall away, any mask mandates will diminish, social distancing can relax, cafes and restaurants can all open, bus and coach travel is safer, ..... places start opening up.
Think about it.

Thanks for the encouragement.

 

[InChrist]

Yes, it is common knowledge that both vaccinated as well as those who have had Covid, both can get the virus again. I would assume, like the flu, you can always get it again.

There are conflicting reports as to what is better. (I don't think anyone really know, but I would tend to lean towards natural has a better immunity than vaccination)

Better would be supported by the Israeli Health Dept. Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Vaccination would be supported by the CDC Coronavirus Disease 2019



Yes... if we were to synthesize it to just those points, it would be counterproductive. But it rarely is relegated to those specific points, IMO.

What I wonder is, why isn't there more emphasis on how to get people well if they have contracted it? Like, if I feel a cold coming on, I add Vitamin C, D and Zinc, gargle with salt water or a mouth wash and I don't get the impact of the impending cold, if I get it at all.

What if, "I just got a Covid positive test and these are the things that counteract the Covid so that it is minimized and prevents death" in addition to vaccination and/or in lieu of vaccination?

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death. I think many doctors have wondered the same thing because the way Covid has been addressed, without emphasizing early treatment protocols, has been unprecedented.
Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.